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School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Re: School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Post by IshKebab »

TOMDM wrote: post #330
IshKebab wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes but their conclusion is "well our hypothesis is probably still right, we just didn't look hard enough" rather than "maybe it doesn't have a significant effect".

Well yes, that's just decent Bayesian rigor. Previous studies have set a prior of x% confidence, you see evidence to the contrary, you update to some x-y%. Given the volume of research on sleep, it probably takes more evidence, even if it's your own study to throw that out.

Are there previous studies that have shown smartphone use impairs cognitive ability?

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Post by beeflet »

agile-gift0262 wrote: post #397

When I see all these "phone ban" experiments, I always wonder, is the phone that's the issue, or is it the apps/websites tailored for engagement (a.k.a addiction)? Maybe instead of banning kids from using phones, they should consider banning companies from making their apps addictive on purpose.

so they can still make their apps addictive accidentally?

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Post by sahmeepee »

ANewFormation wrote: post #389
jader201 wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure if you have kids, but I’m not sure making the choice to ostracize your kids is one they’d thank you for later. And, certainly not all kids would. It very much depends on the kid / the impact said ostracism would have.

The ostracization is a strawman. A few good friends (or even just one) is, imo, going to provide far more fulfillment than a million digital friends. And when living in an appropriate place to raise children (playgrounds, etc near housing) it's super easy to meet other parents. And, in my experience at least, a rather large percent are also against 'digitizing' their kids. Making friends the old fashioned way, and no…

I don't think you have the appropriate context here. This isn't about "good" (in person?) friends vs digital friends known only online. This is about schoolkids who almost all have smartphones losing a channel of communication with their schoolmates and thus being excluded from much of what goes on in the social group outside of school.

I have a child around this age and can absolutely see the issue, but I think it's less about phones per se and more about messaging apps and/or social media. For us, banning the phone itself wouldn't have these effects because we impose suitable restrictions on use as well as having put effort into educating our kids on healthy behaviours.

There are a small number of kids in the year group with "nokias" (non-smart phones) and they aren't looked down on or deliberately excluded by others, but they might feel they are missing out on something. As the kids get older and more independent their needs for communication tools will surely grow, but not so much social media.

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Post by washadjeffmad »

Can we have smartphone threads where everyone discloses whether they're an app developer or have another conflict of interest?

Some of us know these kids are cash cows and are behaving like the anti-gun-regulation lobby of the tech world.

I am not an app developer and derive no income from the sale or usage of smartphones or their software.

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Post by sahmeepee »

jader201 wrote: post #232
rrr_oh_man wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’m not a scientist in this field, but I would have been very surprised to have seen a difference in cognitive ability this quickly. Not sure. I worked with a science team that had found very strong cognitive improvements in the short term (~2 weeks) after improving sleep quality. Though, study participants were mostly middle aged and elderly.

I feel like sleep quality and phone addiction are very different, even if somewhat connected. I would agree, though, that improving sleep quality would definitely improve cognitive function. But removing phones would only help if it’s degrading sleep. If phone addiction has no impact on sleep (e.g. the parents still enforce regular bedtimes), then I would not expect that much, if any, cognitive improvement. Not quick…

I agree that this study didn't separate the two very well, but it's a difficult task to be fair.

They found that the kids' bed times were far earlier without phones, but was that a short term effect? Was it an effect of being observed and measured? If the parents valued their kids' sleep, why was the average bed time of 12 year old kids after 11pm pre-ban? You could blame that lack of sleep on phones if it made you feel better I suppose, but it's clearly not the whole story.

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Post by thrw42A8N »

washadjeffmad wrote: post #404

Can we have smartphone threads where everyone discloses whether they're an app developer or have another conflict of interest? Some of us know these kids are cash cows and are behaving like the anti-gun-regulation lobby of the tech world. I am not an app developer and derive no income from the sale or usage of smartphones or their software.

I don't know any single anti-gun-regulation person who manufactures guns. Anyways. I am not app developer blah blah and I'm against this. Don't want your kids to be cash cows? Don't give them a credit card...?

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Post by d4rti »

agile-gift0262 wrote: post #397

When I see all these "phone ban" experiments, I always wonder, is the phone that's the issue, or is it the apps/websites tailored for engagement (a.k.a addiction)? Maybe instead of banning kids from using phones, they should consider banning companies from making their apps addictive on purpose.

Banning phones is the practical policy. Schools could not police the myriad of apps and websites.

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Post by onlyontheapi »

thrw42A8N wrote: post #406
washadjeffmad wrote: post #404

Can we have smartphone threads where everyone discloses whether they're an app developer or have another conflict of interest? Some of us know these kids are cash cows and are behaving like the anti-gun-regulation lobby of the tech world. I am not an app developer and derive no income from the sale or usage of smartphones or their software.

I don't know any single anti-gun-regulation person who manufactures guns. Anyways. I am not app developer blah blah and I'm against this. Don't want your kids to be cash cows? Don't give them a credit card...?

do they drive revenue from ads too?

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Post by ChrisLTD »

agile-gift0262 wrote: post #397

When I see all these "phone ban" experiments, I always wonder, is the phone that's the issue, or is it the apps/websites tailored for engagement (a.k.a addiction)? Maybe instead of banning kids from using phones, they should consider banning companies from making their apps addictive on purpose.

To what end? Why do school kids need a smartphone?

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Post by ChrisLTD »

card_zero wrote: post #203
0xRusty wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You start with a hypothesis and then you test it.

And then you find it was wrong, and you keep it, and make protestations.

I’d humbly suggest “protestation” isn’t the right word here
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