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School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Post by cardanome »

safety1st wrote: post #164
andai wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did a project once where I put my phone away before bed (switched off and in another room) and kept it off for the first few hours of the day, along with my wifi router. I usually got so much done during that time that I'd prefer to keep them off for a few more hours, even after I was "allowed" to turn them back on.

Yeah so the smartphones and socials can be difficult addictions to shake, but this is the flip side of it: when you do put them aside for an extended period of time you often see your productivity absolutely go through the roof. I started sticking my phone in my bag or in another room during my afternoon work session and my productivity with that time doubled, in terms of actual output - tasks completed, lines of cod…

The problem is that I can not pace myself.

I can go cold turkey without any withdrawals. Not using no phone or computer on holidays? Not a problem. It would not be a great sacrifice for me to never touch a computing device ever again in my life.

But that using the internet only at certain times thing? Absolutely not. There will always be an exception because I need to look up something really badly and once the exception is done it is over. Restricting certain sites? But then there is that search result or that person linked me something I need to see. Away with the filter!

It sucks because as a software engineer I need to keep up with things so there isn't really a way to quit.

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Post by graemep »

arrowsmith wrote: post #282
duxup wrote: post #95

My kid's school got a lot of press for a smartphone ban. To be clear you could still have a phone, it was just taken if anyone saw it during school hours. If you got caught 3 times your parents had to come retrieve it ... that last part did wonders. I don't know how the sleep part plays into it, my oldest of course wants his phone with him at all times (he is required to put it away before bedtime). I wonder if the s…

This was the policy at my school ~20 years ago. “Smartphones” didn’t exist, but mobile phones were ubiquitous and every kid owned one. But they weren’t allowed in the classroom, and if you were found to have one in the classroom (even if it was switched off in your pocket), it would immediately be confiscated and you wouldn’t get it back until at least the next day. Why would any school not have this policy? What pos…

Confiscation until the next day could cause all sorts of problems. For example my daughter needs a smartphone app for bus tickets. It would be a lot more expensive to buy a single ticket to get home and I suppose (especially with younger kids) its going to be difficult to ensure they have the money to get home - or the phone might be their main means of payment.

People are dependent on smartphones to live day to day, in a way that they were not on simple mobile phones.

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Post by Tade0 »

h4ch1 wrote: post #297

Seeing almost feral iPad kids has put me off giving my children a portable screen, especially one with unrestricted access to the internet. The surprising part is I grew up around computers and the internet (got my first email when i was 4) and have always had a desktop PC around, but somehow gravitated towards building websites, small C games, and even though YouTube, Metacafe, Facebook, Miniclip were easily accessi…

My neighbours have a way out of this for their 8yo, even though their intention was to just stay in touch as he plays outside unsupervised: smartwatch.

Functions perfectly well as a phone with some additional utilities, but doesn't draw the sort of attention an equivalent phone would if that's what you're going for.

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Post by OJFord »

als0 wrote: post #327
huijzer wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get a few YubiKeys (or similar) and also link them. You only need one of the 2FA and can link multiple.

It's unfortunate that some sites only accept one Yubikey and not multiple.

Even AWS. (Per IAM user.)

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Post by graemep »

Aerroon wrote: post #242
protocolture wrote: post #127

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My only issue is that its baffling to me that you would deprive kids of a platform that is going to be relatively omnipresent in their lives. Like, a locked down school approved phone that cant load social apps makes sense (And yeah I am more than happy if the tooling is swiss cheese, because we need to inspire new pentesters somehow). But removing them entirely? That seems bonkers.

This baffles me as well. A large group of people seem to immediately treat it as a foregone conclusion that smartphone bans are entirely positive. Nobody seems to even question the idea that we shouldn't ban things by default . The evidence that's used for these bans is more "everyone knows this is true" and less "we have proven that this causes way too much farm, therefore we're banning it". Everyone knows sitting t…

We ban lot of things for kids that they have to cope with in adult life.

The US even bans alcohol for young adults, and there are few places where someone under 16 can buy it.

Social media is designed to be addictive, and it seems reasonable to ban addictive things for kids by default. IMO we would be better off if adults stopped using it too.

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Post by OJFord »

Aeolun wrote: post #322
LoganDark wrote: post #153

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> I'm curious to know what you accomplished for several hours without network connectivity in general. Making your bed, organizing your room, taking a shower / getting a haircut, doing laundry, whatever. You know, the stuff people tend to get behind on.

People get behind on taking a shower? Amongst that list it seems the only one you can’t skip out on. Unless you start putting on dirty laundry. That’s probably worse.

Depends what you mean by 'get behind on' I guess? I'm a 'morning' showerer, because my hair looks insane before a shower, but if there's nothing to particularly make me need/want to look presentable (obviously I'm not properly dressed having not showered either) particularly early then yeah I can get behind on showering.

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Post by graemep »

blitzar wrote: post #256
protocolture wrote: post #124

If the goal of schooling is to improve sleep and mood, they should also include giving up school entirely for 21 days as a control.

They try it every year in the summer. It has significant negative effects on all the parents involved.

I know that is a joke, but it has enough truth in it to be a sad comment on a society in which parents do not enjoy time with their kids.

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Post by flexie »

card_zero wrote: post #177

> Interestingly, the research didn’t show significant improvements in cognitive ability; the phone ban group showed a modest 3% boost in working memory, and there were no improvements in sustained attention. Researchers suggest that these results might mean that changes in cognitive ability could take longer than the study period of 21 days to materialise. Notice how they had decided beforehand what they were going t…

By now, most schools in Denmark are banning phones during school hours. My kids' school did it two years ago. I have no idea if it has improved my kids' "cognitive skills", and frankly I don't care that much about their academic level. They are kids. They should run around, play and be happy, and then they will learn what they need.

As a parent it's wonderful to know that the kids have this 5-7 hour break from the screens. Just wonderful.

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Post by graemep »

threeseed wrote: post #43
Sajarin wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blaming the “system” is easy but is it the whole picture? How much of it is due to culture? Teachers in western countries are not as respected as teachers in other parts of the world. A few teachers abuse their authority and that results in outrage and lawsuits from parents, rightfully so. I can imagine in many schools in the US, if a cellphone ban were to be implemented, there would be a large outcry from parents on…

I wouldn't group all Western countries together. The US has always been unique in having a very libertarian, freedom at all costs culture. For example in Australia we have recently banned children from using social networks and this was supported by about 80% of the population.

Is there no resistance to things like having to adult having to prove their age to social networks? How is that going to be done, BTW?

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Post by imaginationra »

Lifetime mobile phone abstinent human here.

Sleep and mood (thumbs up)

Waiting for everyone else to stop using the cursed devices and start to enjoy real life allowing themselves to be fully immersed in it for the first time(shrug)

"Fully immersive" games are sought after but from my point of view people that use mobile phones have never been fully immersed in their physical reality before (its pretty sick bruh, there's beer and boobs) and you might enjoy experiences that can't be monetized or digitized (yes, they exist)

If a human experiences an interaction in physical reality and there isn't a VC around to launch a startup to monetize said interaction does it even make a simd?

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