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School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Post by tomjen3 »

bawolff wrote: post #76
gregwebs wrote: post #51

> challenged a group of Year 8 pupils to give up their smartphones completely for 21 days. It was not a ban during school. It was complete phone abstinence. The result was that the kids got an entire additional hour of sleep! Perhaps this could be replicated just by putting phones away at night.

> Perhaps this could be replicated just by putting phones away at night. Sort of like how people addicted to gambling would probably save a lot of money if they had just a little more will power.

Thats a bad faith take. You are assuming that putting phones away at night does not mean that the phone is still in the same room.

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Post by jader201 »

rrr_oh_man wrote: post #212
jader201 wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not a scientist in this field, but I would have been very surprised to have seen a difference in cognitive ability this quickly. I’ve always felt that we wouldn’t recover from the negative impacts of phone addiction very quickly, if ever, after several years of addiction to doom scrolling, social media feeds, and the short bursts of 10-second videos. I wish more real research in this field was being done, so that…

> I’m not a scientist in this field, but I would have been very surprised to have seen a difference in cognitive ability this quickly. Not sure. I worked with a science team that had found very strong cognitive improvements in the short term (~2 weeks) after improving sleep quality. Though, study participants were mostly middle aged and elderly.

I feel like sleep quality and phone addiction are very different, even if somewhat connected.

I would agree, though, that improving sleep quality would definitely improve cognitive function.

But removing phones would only help if it’s degrading sleep. If phone addiction has no impact on sleep (e.g. the parents still enforce regular bedtimes), then I would not expect that much, if any, cognitive improvement. Not quickly, anyway.

Either way, these two need to be studied independently to know for sure.

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Post by eimrine »

Sajarin wrote: post #39
m00x wrote: post #15

I feel like giving teachers and schools more freedoms to implement these things would be a great overall effect. We've seen a large reduction of what teachers are able to do in the last few decades because the school districts have continuously pushed bad policies to protect them against liability and extra work. My parents were both in the school system and every year they would get more rules to protect the distric…

Blaming the “system” is easy but is it the whole picture? How much of it is due to culture? Teachers in western countries are not as respected as teachers in other parts of the world. A few teachers abuse their authority and that results in outrage and lawsuits from parents, rightfully so. I can imagine in many schools in the US, if a cellphone ban were to be implemented, there would be a large outcry from parents on…

> Teachers in western countries are not as respected as teachers in other parts of the world.

It can not be true for most of Asian countries with a really rich history of beating bad students.

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Post by scott_w »

RussianCow wrote: post #229
eimrine wrote: post #223

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It will not help you because bathroom fans may have different ways to disassemble them, car belts may have different bolts position etc. You either can work with electricity wires or not, no third option, and the difference is mostly comes from having read or not having read the book (every country has a different one). For me the list is so boring that it requires me to have a device yelling some podcasts while I am…

> You either can work with electricity wires or not, no third option As someone who has used The Internet™ as a reference for more projects than I can count, I strongly disagree with this. There is definitely a middle ground where you know just enough to do some basic things on your own and feel comfortable venturing a bit deeper, but not without some help. > It will not help you because bathroom fans may have differ…

> Having said all of that, this entire discussion is a bit moot because it's easy enough to download YouTube videos or tutorials locally ahead of time and pull them up on a tablet without internet access.

In theory, yes. In practice, I usually encounter new problems when fixing something that I need to learn. Kind of like Brian Cranston in Malcom in the Middle.

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Post by scott_w »

Tangentially related, I recall being a teenager playing video games until 3am in my bedroom. As I grew up and got my own place, I eventually decided to have no TV in my bedroom and my sleep improved a huge amount ever since. I’m not perfect, I’ll sometimes go into a negative spiral playing chess until late and get more worked up, but once every few weeks/months is a marked improvement on every night!

Definitely something to consider if I ever become a parent.

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Post by gretch »

szszrk wrote: post #226
nothrabannosir wrote: post #173

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I think bawolff was being sarcastic

Which just shows that communicating through sarcasm brings more harm than benefit. I know, I'm guilty. Currently on "sarcasm rehab" for the sake of people around me and myself.

Some people think sarcasm makes for a smart and sophisticated joke.

In reality, it takes very little intelligence to say the opposite of what you mean. Once I reflected on it, I really think it’s such an adolescent way of thinking.

If you think you’re smart, then challenge yourself to make a great joke, instead of just saying !(thing).

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Post by 2099miles »

szszrk wrote: post #226
nothrabannosir wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think bawolff was being sarcastic

Which just shows that communicating through sarcasm brings more harm than benefit. I know, I'm guilty. Currently on "sarcasm rehab" for the sake of people around me and myself.

This was an interesting post. Thanks for making me question if sarcasm is actually a bad thing. I don’t agree off the bat but I’ve never seriously considered it.

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Post by Aerroon »

jader201 wrote: post #192
card_zero wrote: post #177

> Interestingly, the research didn’t show significant improvements in cognitive ability; the phone ban group showed a modest 3% boost in working memory, and there were no improvements in sustained attention. Researchers suggest that these results might mean that changes in cognitive ability could take longer than the study period of 21 days to materialise. Notice how they had decided beforehand what they were going t…

I’m not a scientist in this field, but I would have been very surprised to have seen a difference in cognitive ability this quickly. I’ve always felt that we wouldn’t recover from the negative impacts of phone addiction very quickly, if ever, after several years of addiction to doom scrolling, social media feeds, and the short bursts of 10-second videos. I wish more real research in this field was being done, so that…

Perhaps the real research doesn't find these bombastic results that "everyone knows are true"? The 'researchers' in the article had a conclusion, the experiment didn't agree with it and then thought of excuses as to why.

>Until then, kids — and their parents — are left with the unfortunate decision between phone addition, and social ostracism.

Even this just presumes it's all negative. Why?

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Post by mattlondon »

safety1st wrote: post #208
mattlondon wrote: post #183

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> books read, games played, So that is positive, but reading and playing games on a phone is negative?

Yes, I think so. For one thing, reading on a phone is harder and leads to worse retention. The content you consume is likely to be shorter and less intellectually valuable. Maybe more importantly, doing anything on a phone seems to encourage a shorter attention span and switching over to other activities, such as tapping useless notifications and doomscrolling your way into anger, unhappiness, depression, anxiety etc…

Why would reading on a phone be any less intellectually valuable? A book is a book regardless.

Just uninstall the social apps and/or turn off notifications if you are easily distracted. It's not rocket science (which incidentally you can learn on a phone if you wanted)

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Post by 2099miles »

card_zero wrote: post #172
safety1st wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah so the smartphones and socials can be difficult addictions to shake, but this is the flip side of it: when you do put them aside for an extended period of time you often see your productivity absolutely go through the roof. I started sticking my phone in my bag or in another room during my afternoon work session and my productivity with that time doubled, in terms of actual output - tasks completed, lines of cod…

Damn, I should get my smartphone out of the bag and start using it, and develop a TikTok habit. Then I can put it away again, and my productivity will double! Which is to say that I find this claim highly unlikely. You're very lucky to have such immense latent productivity that was just waiting for the smartphone dam to burst.

I don’t get this comment. Double is common hyperbole, but like do you think tiktok habits don’t degrade other productivity? It’s a known phenomenon that smartphones kill boredom and boredom promotes things like sleeping and productivity.
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