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School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Post by unparagoned »

bawolff wrote: post #76
gregwebs wrote: post #51

> challenged a group of Year 8 pupils to give up their smartphones completely for 21 days. It was not a ban during school. It was complete phone abstinence. The result was that the kids got an entire additional hour of sleep! Perhaps this could be replicated just by putting phones away at night.

> Perhaps this could be replicated just by putting phones away at night. Sort of like how people addicted to gambling would probably save a lot of money if they had just a little more will power.

Funny enough studies link night owls with having less self control

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Post by HPsquared »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #126
lesuorac wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or C code wouldn't have any bugs if developers were more careful?

There are important distinctions to be made between categories such as being unaware of the cause of a problem (likely many of the children), aware but unable to redress it (most gambling addicts), and intentionally choosing to make a tradeoff for various circumstantial reasons (many but certainly not all developers working in C).

There's a lot of inertia and social pressure in both phone use and language choice.

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Post by eimrine »

tayo42 wrote: post #196
geerlingguy wrote: post #154

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Presumably some of the other 1,000 things to be done. On my procrastination list right now: replace bathroom faucet, replace bathroom fan, replace belt in car, clean out garage floor, dust servers in my rack, move rack to new location, decommission old server in rack, clean wood floor, clean oven, caulk around the bathtub, finish reading about 20 books I have only read halfway through... could go on and on.

Most of that list would require me to have YouTube or something up explaining how to do to, so I'd need a network to be productive lol

It will not help you because bathroom fans may have different ways to disassemble them, car belts may have different bolts position etc. You either can work with electricity wires or not, no third option, and the difference is mostly comes from having read or not having read the book (every country has a different one). For me the list is so boring that it requires me to have a device yelling some podcasts while I am solving such a mind-numbing issues.

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Post by shawabawa3 »

wraptile wrote: post #165
gregwebs wrote: post #51

> challenged a group of Year 8 pupils to give up their smartphones completely for 21 days. It was not a ban during school. It was complete phone abstinence. The result was that the kids got an entire additional hour of sleep! Perhaps this could be replicated just by putting phones away at night.

n of 8 is essentially meaningless tho

It's not n of 8. The article doesn't mention cohort size (year 8 is what 7th grade is called in the UK)

Found another source that said n was 26

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Post by eimrine »

card_zero wrote: post #201
it_citizen wrote: post #199

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Hypothesize then experiment

Uh-huh. You have a conjecture, you test it, and then you say "looks like reality didn't match our conjecture, the conjecture must be wrong." Except here they got a negative result and said "reality must be wrong". It's a determined effort to find specific results.

> You have a conjecture, you test it, and then you say "looks like reality didn't match our conjecture, the conjecture must be wrong."

The time is also the part of the conjecture.

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Post by szszrk »

nothrabannosir wrote: post #173
noduerme wrote: post #167

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I too have had this sense of superiority about the negative outcomes of other people's addictive behavior. It's easy to blame people for not having willpower. But (and I say this as a former casino owner, former bartender, and someone who worked on early Facebook games trying to maximize engagement), even intelligent people with better than average self control are no match for the sophistication of systems that have…

I think bawolff was being sarcastic

Which just shows that communicating through sarcasm brings more harm than benefit.

I know, I'm guilty. Currently on "sarcasm rehab" for the sake of people around me and myself.

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Post by jader201 »

Liquix wrote: post #210
jader201 wrote: post #192

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I’m not a scientist in this field, but I would have been very surprised to have seen a difference in cognitive ability this quickly. I’ve always felt that we wouldn’t recover from the negative impacts of phone addiction very quickly, if ever, after several years of addiction to doom scrolling, social media feeds, and the short bursts of 10-second videos. I wish more real research in this field was being done, so that…

> left with the unfortunate decision between phone addition, and social ostracism. This line of thinking perpetuates the problem. More people getting addicted does not mean addiction is a prerequisite to live a full life. It's never been more important to aggressively curtail phone use – and make unpopular decisions that your kids will thank you for later – than it is now.

I’m not sure if you have kids, but I’m not sure making the choice to ostracize your kids is one they’d thank you for later.

And, certainly not all kids would. It very much depends on the kid / the impact said ostracism would have.

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Post by llm_trw »

jader201 wrote: post #192
card_zero wrote: post #177

> Interestingly, the research didn’t show significant improvements in cognitive ability; the phone ban group showed a modest 3% boost in working memory, and there were no improvements in sustained attention. Researchers suggest that these results might mean that changes in cognitive ability could take longer than the study period of 21 days to materialise. Notice how they had decided beforehand what they were going t…

I’m not a scientist in this field, but I would have been very surprised to have seen a difference in cognitive ability this quickly. I’ve always felt that we wouldn’t recover from the negative impacts of phone addiction very quickly, if ever, after several years of addiction to doom scrolling, social media feeds, and the short bursts of 10-second videos. I wish more real research in this field was being done, so that…

You should read what Socrates has to say about book addicts.

We need to burn more of them to raise awareness of just how pernicious the written word is.

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Post by RussianCow »

eimrine wrote: post #223
tayo42 wrote: post #196

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Most of that list would require me to have YouTube or something up explaining how to do to, so I'd need a network to be productive lol

It will not help you because bathroom fans may have different ways to disassemble them, car belts may have different bolts position etc. You either can work with electricity wires or not, no third option, and the difference is mostly comes from having read or not having read the book (every country has a different one). For me the list is so boring that it requires me to have a device yelling some podcasts while I am…

> You either can work with electricity wires or not, no third option

As someone who has used The Internet™ as a reference for more projects than I can count, I strongly disagree with this. There is definitely a middle ground where you know just enough to do some basic things on your own and feel comfortable venturing a bit deeper, but not without some help.

> It will not help you because bathroom fans may have different ways to disassemble them, car belts may have different bolts position etc.

I dunno, I can usually find at least one guide online for how to do a specific thing with a specific model of something. Search "change timing belt $year $make $model" and you'll get at least a handful of videos walking you through the whole process.

Having said all of that, this entire discussion is a bit moot because it's easy enough to download YouTube videos or tutorials locally ahead of time and pull them up on a tablet without internet access.

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Post by eastbound »

safety1st wrote: post #164
andai wrote: post #128

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I did a project once where I put my phone away before bed (switched off and in another room) and kept it off for the first few hours of the day, along with my wifi router. I usually got so much done during that time that I'd prefer to keep them off for a few more hours, even after I was "allowed" to turn them back on.

Yeah so the smartphones and socials can be difficult addictions to shake, but this is the flip side of it: when you do put them aside for an extended period of time you often see your productivity absolutely go through the roof. I started sticking my phone in my bag or in another room during my afternoon work session and my productivity with that time doubled, in terms of actual output - tasks completed, lines of cod…

By do you ruminate negative thoughts? That’s my excuse for keeping my phone playing at night: I’m single, and despite being a successful professional and trying hard at dating when I was younger, my private life is full of bad experiences. I think about it and get angry. Youtube masks it.

Yes I’ve seen psychologists but no, really, they try to où the blame on me but every time it’s the others who bullied me. Anyway — without a smartphone keeping your mind busy, how do you mask negative thoughts?

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