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Non of that paper stuff! Stone tablets only.
Would abaci be too high tech?
An interesting question, actually. It feels like they can be a good teaching tool, compared to calculators.
School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study
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#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
I did a project once where I put my phone away before bed (switched off and in another room) and kept it off for the first few hours of the day, along with my wifi router. I usually got so much done during that time that I'd prefer to keep them off for a few more hours, even after I was "allowed" to turn them back on.
Yeah so the smartphones and socials can be difficult addictions to shake, but this is the flip side of it: when you do put them aside for an extended period of time you often see your productivity absolutely go through the roof. I started sticking my phone in my bag or in another room during my afternoon work session and my productivity with that time doubled, in terms of actual output - tasks completed, lines of cod…
Damn, I should get my smartphone out of the bag and start using it, and develop a TikTok habit. Then I can put it away again, and my productivity will double!
Which is to say that I find this claim highly unlikely. You're very lucky to have such immense latent productivity that was just waiting for the smartphone dam to burst.
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Perhaps this could be replicated just by putting phones away at night. Sort of like how people addicted to gambling would probably save a lot of money if they had just a little more will power.
I too have had this sense of superiority about the negative outcomes of other people's addictive behavior. It's easy to blame people for not having willpower. But (and I say this as a former casino owner, former bartender, and someone who worked on early Facebook games trying to maximize engagement), even intelligent people with better than average self control are no match for the sophistication of systems that have…
I think bawolff was being sarcastic
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#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
Abaci would actually probably be good for making mental math come naturally. As a general rule, i am on team - if you need a calculator in math class then you aren't learning math.
Because if you're studying real math, a calculator wouldn't help?
Either that, or you are trying to teach people arithmatic, in which case having them do it by hand is a benefit.
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#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
I too have had this sense of superiority about the negative outcomes of other people's addictive behavior. It's easy to blame people for not having willpower. But (and I say this as a former casino owner, former bartender, and someone who worked on early Facebook games trying to maximize engagement), even intelligent people with better than average self control are no match for the sophistication of systems that have…
I think bawolff was being sarcastic
I think moderne was agreeing with bawolf and responding to gregwebs’ “Perhaps this could be replicated just by putting phones away at night.”
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#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seems clear enough to me: "challenged a group of Year 8 pupils to give up their smartphones completely for 21 days." I'm not sure how you can read "completely" as "only during school time"
I found it unclear because the title of the article and the title of the TV show imply it's only during school, but it's only the second paragraph that it mentions "completely". It seems to contradict the opening sentences.
My rule of thumb: If the headline and the body contradict, always trust the body (or even better, the peer reviewed journal article).
Never trust headlines, they are optimised for clicks, not accuracy. It's also common for headlines to be written by someone other than the article body, someone who potentially only skimmed the article, and changed based on A/B testing.
And TV show titles.... basically useless.
Re: School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study
#177> Interestingly, the research didn’t show significant improvements in cognitive ability; the phone ban group showed a modest 3% boost in working memory, and there were no improvements in sustained attention. Researchers suggest that these results might mean that changes in cognitive ability could take longer than the study period of 21 days to materialise.
Notice how they had decided beforehand what they were going to find out, and are making an excuse here for not finding part of it.
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I think you are a little bit behind the times with current private/ charter schools. Charter School does not mean wealthy parents, it means non-public alternative that takes the public tax dollars and turns them private. Private/ charter schools work off the fallacy that smaller school means better performance. They exploit the law of small numbers to support the fallacy. There will be one or two schools that do well…
> Where are you more likely to find a mentor, in a school with 10 teachers or 200 teachers? Where are you more likely to find a friend, in a school with 50 or 5000 people? This is such nonsense. Beyond a certain (very low) number, the number of people at the school doesn't help you with those things, because you can only meet so many people. You have classes with a fixed number of teachers, and a fixed number of stud…
>You've seemingly borrowed an argument for larger cities and applied it to schools without understanding it.
I don't know that argument and never heard it.
Intellectual sorting will be applied in a real world.
By saying you have to meet all 200 teachers or 5000 students to find a mentor or friend would mean you have to try on all shoes, or cloths at a store to find the proper one(s). Your shoe, shirt, and pants size, with your acceptance of brands, greatly reduces the "you can try on only so many shoes, shirts, pants" argument. [0]
Is the student into robotics? Most likely only a STEM teacher would be into robotics, which reduces the number of teachers to meet to find a mentor. See a person wearing a shirt for a band you like, more passive intellectual filtering to find a friend and reduce the number of people to interaction with to find a friend. Into beat-boxing, perform at the school talent show and communicate to all 200 and 5000 students at once. You still might be the only one into beat-boxing though. More Intellectual filtering that go against "having to meet everyone to find a friend or mentor" argument.
Say you want to go out to a movie and there are 100 movie theaters in your area. Will you go to each one to find the right theater and movie? Or will you start sorting based on physical distance, known history, online checking of movies the theater is playing and times? Will you stop once you found something to go and see after viewing the 3rd theater or will you look and analyze all 100?
Dating apps, meet-up apps, social media channels or groups, even Hacker News, are all forms of Intellectual filtering, to assist in the "lacking something else" bonding.
Lets rephrase it. Say you want to have sex. Which would most likely help you reach that objective? Which has a high problematical outcome to achieve what you want, asking 10 people or asking 100 to have sex?
[0] I have abnormal size feet. As a kid, only found shoes that fit at stores with the larger product selection that sold only shoes. Had to try on countless number to find a single pair that fit. This feed my disdain for shoe shopping. As an adult, purchase them online because not even Nike sells my size, and I don't have to waste days trying multiple on.
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah so the smartphones and socials can be difficult addictions to shake, but this is the flip side of it: when you do put them aside for an extended period of time you often see your productivity absolutely go through the roof. I started sticking my phone in my bag or in another room during my afternoon work session and my productivity with that time doubled, in terms of actual output - tasks completed, lines of cod…
Damn, I should get my smartphone out of the bag and start using it, and develop a TikTok habit. Then I can put it away again, and my productivity will double! Which is to say that I find this claim highly unlikely. You're very lucky to have such immense latent productivity that was just waiting for the smartphone dam to burst.
I noticed something similar. Productivity does go up if you don’t replace social media with other forms of entertainment. After a while one gets bored and starts doing more stuff, either work or hobbies
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#180I bought something called brick which lets me lock some apps with a Bluetooth app. I have to walk to a different room and touch my phone to the little cube magneted to my fridge in order to unlock them. Just this extra friction has halved my screen time. No phone in bed no phone while I’m working and no phone on weekends while I’m bored. Instant improvement in mental clarity and quality of life.
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I feel like we're getting closer to the moment where all high quality discussion will be locked behind invite only forums. (anyone can read, need an invite to write)
I can't really think of any other solution to the prevalence of bots as it gets easier and cheaper to write human seeming content