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macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by sinfulprogeny »

deaddodo wrote: post #115
submeta wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe. But what are the options? Windows? Not really. Linux/Debian/Ubuntu is great, in theory, but it lacks tools: Acorn, Keyboard Maestro, OnniGraffle, Alfred App, MS Office, MS Teams, and a dozen more. Plus Apple silicon. I test LLMs locally.

This isn't me trying to convince you to use Linux, but the listed reasons (other than LLM testing) aren't real deterrents (and there are plenty that exist for many people, no use pretending not): > Acorn GIMP (or Glimpse, if you want a more modern UI) or Krita can definitely do pretty much anything Acorn can. > Keyboard Maestro GNOME and KDE have been able to do this out of the box from pretty much the beginning. The…

> GIMP (or Glimpse, if you want a more modern UI) or Krita can definitely do pretty much anything Acorn can.

I'm fairly certain that anyone who recommends GIMP hasn't really used GIMP.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by deaddodo »

j16sdiz wrote: post #128
deaddodo wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't me trying to convince you to use Linux, but the listed reasons (other than LLM testing) aren't real deterrents (and there are plenty that exist for many people, no use pretending not): > Acorn GIMP (or Glimpse, if you want a more modern UI) or Krita can definitely do pretty much anything Acorn can. > Keyboard Maestro GNOME and KDE have been able to do this out of the box from pretty much the beginning. The…

> > Acorn > GIMP (or Glimpse, if you want a more modern UI) or Krita can definitely do pretty much anything Acorn can. You will be surprised to know how some professional treat their tools. Some illustrator love their software just like some mathematician love their chalk. Many woodworker make their own tools to make them feel just right. > > MS Office > LibreOffice would be the common alternative. If you export them…

Which is why I specifically stated that the feature set matches and not that they're drop in replacements. Then gave a giant disclaimer about open source software in general at the bottom.

I'm not evangelizing, I'm stating that the listed software/workloads are perfectly amenable to Linux if you wanted to make the move/relearn those softwares.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by submeta »

hmottestad wrote: post #119
submeta wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had only 600-700 gb of data on my Mac. Installed OneDrive, did not know that I had configured my NAS to do 800gb of cloud backups to OneDrive. And Time Machine downloaded that data into its backup. Although I had configured OneDrive not to download that folder to my Mac. So time Machine screwed up in the first place.

Sounds like an edge case that Microsoft didn’t think of when they developed OneDrive on Mac. You should contact them and let them know that they should exclude OneDrive from Time Machine backups automatically unless it’s configured to download everything. You can very easily exclude folders from Time Machine backups yourself.

My point was about being able to boot from ssd. Not about whom to blame re Time Machine backup.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by submeta »

hmottestad wrote: post #124
submeta wrote: post #100

This is bad. - Just recently I broke my system badly. So I decided to erase my system and re-setup from time machine. After several unsuccessful attemts I realized that my Time Machine backup (1.45 tb) exceeded my ssd capacity (1 tb). I did research, and learned not to prune my Time Machine backups. As that may corrupt it. So after several days and failed attempts to restore from time machine and after some research…

When I last restored from Time Machine it allowed me to select which folders I wanted to restore. Then I could just restore the most important bits and leave anything big behind on the backup drive to restore manually later. https://support.apple.com/en-us/102551

I only was offered to select top level folders. Nothing below them.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by talldayo »

echelon wrote: post #85
a2tech wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is from the SuperDuper backup folks. SuperDuper is a tool that you can use to make bootable backups of your macOS system. Apple took away the ability for 3rd party tools to manipulate the OS and copy it to another partition/drive and took it upon themselves to provide that functionality via a utility. That utility is apparently non-functional in 15.2. So that breaks SuperDuper's ability to make a nice, clean, bo…

> took it upon themselves to provide that functionality via a utility. That utility is apparently non-functional in 15.2. Apple turning our devices into jail cells. These tech titans need to be regulated. We should be able to install whatever we want on Mac, iPhone, and Android. To be able to back up whatever we want, install from web, not be forced to use app stores, not be forced to sync with the cloud, and not be…

> Apple turning our devices into jail cells.

> These tech titans need to be regulated.

You say this as though anyone buying a Macbook in the past decade reserves the right to be surprised. New Trump administration isn't going to budge on this - he's actually rather upset at the EU for how they've been treating his good friend Tim Apple. Chances are, he likes this lockdown and wants Americans to accept it.

If you're an American owner of Apple hardware, you've involuntarily signed yourself up for the Apple Isolationist program. There is no government to save you, and no god Apple will answer to.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by deaddodo »

sinfulprogeny wrote: post #131
deaddodo wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't me trying to convince you to use Linux, but the listed reasons (other than LLM testing) aren't real deterrents (and there are plenty that exist for many people, no use pretending not): > Acorn GIMP (or Glimpse, if you want a more modern UI) or Krita can definitely do pretty much anything Acorn can. > Keyboard Maestro GNOME and KDE have been able to do this out of the box from pretty much the beginning. The…

> GIMP (or Glimpse, if you want a more modern UI) or Krita can definitely do pretty much anything Acorn can. I'm fairly certain that anyone who recommends GIMP hasn't really used GIMP.

I didn't recommend it, I offered three options (one specifically created to fix the exact issue you're probably complaining about - GIMP's horrendous UI)

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by leni536 »

dymk wrote: post #40
haileys wrote: post #25

> This sucks. We think it sucks. You think it sucks. But we can't fix it: Apple has to do so. And this is why I gave up on macOS several years ago now and moved to Linux. It's not about which OS is better or worse. All software has bugs. It's about the empowerment to _do something_ about the inevitable bugs, rather than wait and hope that a fix comes down from above.

In theory I can make bluetooth and wifi and deep-sleep work with Linux, but am I actually able to fix it? No, and not for a lack of trying. If we're talking about practical ability to fix what goes wrong with my daily driver, then macOS still wins hands down.

All of those work. As for bluetooth, I can connect multiple bluetooth headphones and playback audio at the same time. This is a bit fiddly, but I wouldn't even know where to start on some other systems.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by hirako2000 »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #112
redmajor12 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like the lesson learned here from reading your travail is not to invest in an ecosystem that makes it difficult to do a standard operation.

Are we reading different comments? Because the only reason he had problems is because he didn't do anything standard. He futzed with his backups instead of letting the OS take care of it, and that's the only reason he had any trouble. If you let Time Machine doing it's thing, restoring from a backup is fast and painless. (Though it's been years since I had to restore a Mac for any reason. It makes me wonder what he w…

Mentioned was a pretty fundamental issue with time machine, to this day. In that it doesn't (de)allocate older backed up space to make for up space for newer back ups. This or some variations of that.

The bug may not always manifest itself I suppose which makes it worse emotionally.

I'm there setting on a 1tb backup disk dedicated to backup a 500GB root HDD, it keeps saying there isn't enough space available after 1h sorting out what needs copied over. Deleted a series a snapshot but it won't tell what doing this is saving me. I can only resort to wipe the entire backup and backup again. Now wondering, what if I deleted some documents a while back which I thought would have a snap. Do I care more about getting a fresh backup or unweilded snapshots that may or may not contain something I don't know I've lost.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by janalsncm »

sinfulprogeny wrote: post #131
deaddodo wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't me trying to convince you to use Linux, but the listed reasons (other than LLM testing) aren't real deterrents (and there are plenty that exist for many people, no use pretending not): > Acorn GIMP (or Glimpse, if you want a more modern UI) or Krita can definitely do pretty much anything Acorn can. > Keyboard Maestro GNOME and KDE have been able to do this out of the box from pretty much the beginning. The…

> GIMP (or Glimpse, if you want a more modern UI) or Krita can definitely do pretty much anything Acorn can. I'm fairly certain that anyone who recommends GIMP hasn't really used GIMP.

I have only ever used GIMP and I will admit that the UI looks like hell. I also rarely do anything very advanced in it anymore so I can’t say whether it has feature parity with PS.
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