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macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by michaelmrose »

avalys wrote: post #50
EasyMark wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you can fix it by buying a linux compatible laptop/pc or building one with known compatibility.

It is impossible for a Linux-compatible PC to have a problem with Linux, because if a PC has a problem with Linux, it is obviously not Linux-compatible. Therefore, if you ever have a problem with Linux on your PC, it is your fault for expecting Linux to work on your non-compatible PC, and you cannot blame the difficulty of fixing the problem on Linux.

This isn't a tautology. Plenty of hardware is in the set of hardware officially supported by manufacturer or oem under Linux or known to be well supported by open source drivers. If offical data is absent unoffocial data is oft readily available.

If nothing would lead a reasonable person to believe it is supported then your default assumption should be that is likely not.

If the functionality that one expects to work works as expected on supported hardware but not on yours then Linux isn't broken your hardware is.

If it doesn't work on previously supported or otherwise well supported hardware its a bug in the software.

It's weird that compatibly is discussed as if for the next 20 years one shall be forced to use a succession of randomly chosen machines and compatibility will ever be a crapshoot.

Often people will initially try Linux on random machines but official Linux machines are out there and those who have decided that Linux meets their needs can easily find well supported hardware.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by mrpippy »

nikisweeting wrote: post #95

Article is pretty unclear, "copying" can mean many things to many different people: cp -r / /Volumes/Clone # this never worked # what about rsync, does this still work? rsync --acls --archive --hard-links --one-file-system --sparse --xattrs / /Volumes/CLONE sudo bless -folder /Volumes/CLONE/System/Library/CoreServices # what about block-level copying, does this still work? sudo dd if=/dev/rdisk2 of=/dev/rdisk4 bs=1m…

It’s documented in their older blog posts, I believe they use the ‘asr’ utility to copy the OS install. The many partitions that make up a macOS install means that cp or rsync isn’t enough. dd would do it, but at great cost in flexibility (can’t back up to a smaller disk, or select files) and speed

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by alwayslikethis »

realusername wrote: post #48
alwayslikethis wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the worst things about the move to smartphones is the inability to make full backups. I don't understand. It's my own device, all the data belongs to me, and I should be able to back it up whenever I want.

Some data is even completely unaccessible, like the app usage on Android. You can view it, but you can't export it in any shape or form.

It seems like you can, with the usageDirect app.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by nbzso »

A side rant with some useful information:

I had a nightmare week with an office Mac Mini, 2018 . When the employee tried to update to Sequoia, he faced the error-try again conundrum. So logically, I introduced the restore option.

Oh boy, what a shitshow. So after faced by 8 hours restore process option, I proceeded to USB installation. Due to T2 restriction, enabling the boot process in restore utility menu is mandatory.

Surprisingly, this cannot be done without working installation and admin user. So installing the OS which was the default for the computer and booting again was the next step.

Long story short, the Mini stopped working in the middle of the installation. No chime sound. No light. We decided that it is dead for good.

And then I got mad. Perfectly working computer bricked by slow and buggy restore process. 8 hours? Did Apple have no money to afford more server speed from Akamai? Or deliberately f&cks up the process, users to go and buy the new stuff? HMM.

Solution:

So I proceeded to DFU mode with non-recommended cable USB2 to USB-C (from my Logitech mouse, with data capabilities.) You power up the mini by holding the startup button and push the power cable in. USB-C must be connected to the first thunderbolt port after the HDMI input. Then magically you have a connection in your host mac Finder and proceed to restore the T2 firmware. Install as usual from the USB stick and revive the Mini.

P.S. Found bits and pieces to come up with this solution from hardware repair forums. If you call your Apple "support" you know the procedure. Come to the store and buy more.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by michaelmrose »

dymk wrote: post #47
EasyMark wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you can fix it by buying a linux compatible laptop/pc or building one with known compatibility.

Oh cool, all I have to do is buy new hardware when the software breaks during updates or when Mercury is in retrograde

Alternatively buy laptops that come with Linux or at least are known to be well supported.

Whenever I buy a new piece of hardware of any sort I end up reading lots of spec sheets, reviews, and articles and comparing choices according to a whole range of desirable features. Making Linux support one of them hardly makes it any more complicated.

If nothing else search for product category + Linux then find a list of recommendations and then google choices that look good looking for unbiased critique focusing especially on people claiming systemic flaws in design that effect all units.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by alwayslikethis »

lopkeny12ko wrote: post #93
alwayslikethis wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the worst things about the move to smartphones is the inability to make full backups. I don't understand. It's my own device, all the data belongs to me, and I should be able to back it up whenever I want.

> the inability to make full backups Says who? I have been using this for years: adb backup -f backup.ab -apk -noshared -all -system

Apps can stop you from doing it, and many will, then it fails silently. It's also a deprecated feature. When I mean a full backup, I mean a bit for bit identical copy, not what the app developers think you should be able to access.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by wetpaws »

submeta wrote: post #100

This is bad. - Just recently I broke my system badly. So I decided to erase my system and re-setup from time machine. After several unsuccessful attemts I realized that my Time Machine backup (1.45 tb) exceeded my ssd capacity (1 tb). I did research, and learned not to prune my Time Machine backups. As that may corrupt it. So after several days and failed attempts to restore from time machine and after some research…

[dead]

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by redmajor12 »

submeta wrote: post #100

This is bad. - Just recently I broke my system badly. So I decided to erase my system and re-setup from time machine. After several unsuccessful attemts I realized that my Time Machine backup (1.45 tb) exceeded my ssd capacity (1 tb). I did research, and learned not to prune my Time Machine backups. As that may corrupt it. So after several days and failed attempts to restore from time machine and after some research…

Sounds like the lesson learned here from reading your travail is not to invest in an ecosystem that makes it difficult to do a standard operation.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by therein »

sleepybrett wrote: post #78
worthless-trash wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because to some people. From their viewpoint apple can do no wrong.

It's not. I'm explaining that you might have faulty hardware or potentially some software that does not love hdmi losing signal. I have a primary monitor hooked up via tb->dp and a secondary plugged into the hdmi port. When I stop working and swap to my personal computer I often shut off the secondary monitor all together and then change the input of my primary monitor. It is not kernel panicing.

Not trolling, it panics for me. It came with 15.1.1. Let me see if I have a photo of the panic. If I'll post the backtrace.

https://imgur.com/ycyVIzF

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Post by therein »

teaearlgraycold wrote: post #8
unsnap_biceps wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, I don't have the same behavior. I have a large tv hooked up to my caldigit TS3+ that is turned on and off when I want to watch a movie and I just tested it and it continues to work just fine.

From the other commenter it sounds like it’s an issue with the built in hdmi port on the pro laptops.

Here is part of the backtrace in case it brings it to the attention of someone: https://imgur.com/ycyVIzF

I already sent it to Apple but who knows when they'll maybe look at it. Panic at IOPortDPDelegate.cpp:256.

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