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macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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you can fix it by buying a linux compatible laptop/pc or building one with known compatibility.

It is impossible for a Linux-compatible PC to have a problem with Linux, because if a PC has a problem with Linux, it is obviously not Linux-compatible. Therefore, if you ever have a problem with Linux on your PC, it is your fault for expecting Linux to work on your non-compatible PC, and you cannot blame the difficulty of fixing the problem on Linux.

Obviously you can avoid all of this by buying your Linux-compatible PC only from a True Scotsman.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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One of the worst things about the move to smartphones is the inability to make full backups. I don't understand. It's my own device, all the data belongs to me, and I should be able to back it up whenever I want.

It’s very easy on iOS to make a backup of your phone including all apps, settings, and data. Either to the cloud to locally to your own storage. What am I missing?

Unless something changed I believe on macos it has to back up to the system drive. I paid my $200 premium to get my 1tb drive on my laptop and my ios backups take up like 30% of that outright. In a perfect world I’d have a server that everything gets dumped to but macos and ios do not make that sort of setup very easy. There’s this ios issue. And people report issues with time machine over network. The whole ecosystem is a little screwed up. But yet I want their hardware so here I am dealing with the hoops they make me jump through. Always some poorly documented issue I run into like with their launchd or all the bullshit they make us now deal with for “security”. No issues when I write for work on centos of course, a proper os. What I would do for a macbook that shipped with no os.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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In theory I can make bluetooth and wifi and deep-sleep work with Linux, but am I actually able to fix it? No, and not for a lack of trying. If we're talking about practical ability to fix what goes wrong with my daily driver, then macOS still wins hands down.

you can fix it by buying a linux compatible laptop/pc or building one with known compatibility.

This usually means you’re building/buying a 5yo “monster” that competes with your iphone. And even then it’s no guarantee.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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I understand why you're getting downvoted but I also am in some form of agreement with the sentiment/hope they don't lose sight that they are pretty much keeping the dream of the consumer UNIX vendor alive.

You don't matter to them. The "What's a computer?" ad shows what they care about. Do what they want and stay on the happy path. Otherwise, you're holding it wrong.

Oh gawd that commercial... Yea I remember that pretenious commercial and it's end line when she says "What's a computer?", and I was wtf really what your holding is a computer.

Sure a computer where the boot loader is locked down to the point you can't even load your own signing keys or side-load, effectively taking away full ownership of the device from the owner, but it's still a computer.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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And not just that: if an update breaks my Linux install, I can figure out what broke it and roll back to an older version. Rolling back updates on macOS or Windows is just... not really a thing, at least not without a full reinstall, assuming you even have installation media for older versions these days.

You can. Most Linux users can't -- I say 90%, if not 99%. Most Linux users are just users, many of which don't know how to use tar or xargs without looking it up, very few have the technical knowledge and capability of figuring out "what broke it".

I had it for a while. Then systemd came and everything changed. Can’t just grep logs and won’t bother learning how to handle that “journal”. Some programs don’t write logs at all, they just crash with an indicator in a systray that something crashed (the most useful info in the world, /s). Linux was being made by hackers who know how to debug things, not anymore. Now it’s new kids raised on rainbow unicorn nonsense. I feel myself in linux like I’m in early windows now, so what’s the benefit?

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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> This sucks. We think it sucks. You think it sucks. But we can't fix it: Apple has to do so. And this is why I gave up on macOS several years ago now and moved to Linux. It's not about which OS is better or worse. All software has bugs. It's about the empowerment to _do something_ about the inevitable bugs, rather than wait and hope that a fix comes down from above.

And not just that: if an update breaks my Linux install, I can figure out what broke it and roll back to an older version. Rolling back updates on macOS or Windows is just... not really a thing, at least not without a full reinstall, assuming you even have installation media for older versions these days.

If you restart several times in succession after an update (e.g. if the machine is stuck in a boot loop), Windows automatically rolls back the update. If the machine boots but you still want to rollback manually, the option is available for a period of time after the update is installed in Settings under Windows Update > Advanced options > Recovery. It's true that once the period of time is up (something like 10 days), you can't rollback any more, but I think your statement about Windows is untrue enough to warrant a correction. Rollback of Windows OS updates is there and it works. I have relied on this functionality in actual real life practice.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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One of the worst things about the move to smartphones is the inability to make full backups. I don't understand. It's my own device, all the data belongs to me, and I should be able to back it up whenever I want.

It’s very easy on iOS to make a backup of your phone including all apps, settings, and data. Either to the cloud to locally to your own storage. What am I missing?

> to the cloud to locally

Requires payment for backup of any meaningful size.

> locally to your own storage

I don't own a mac. I own Linux. How do I backup iOS to my device? How do I restore it?

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Why would you think that?

Because to some people. From their viewpoint apple can do no wrong.

It's not. I'm explaining that you might have faulty hardware or potentially some software that does not love hdmi losing signal. I have a primary monitor hooked up via tb->dp and a secondary plugged into the hdmi port. When I stop working and swap to my personal computer I often shut off the secondary monitor all together and then change the input of my primary monitor. It is not kernel panicing.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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And if you have many apps and don't treat your carefully edited configs as dirt, you'll understand it'd be a giant waste of time to recreate from scratch

I don’t carefully edit any configs. I try to be productive with the default/recommended configuration as much as possible, and be flexible when things change rather than fight to restore the familiar behavior. Otherwise you’re constantly fighting a lonely battle.

You cannot be productive with the default configuration. You’re just telling it to yourself, but it really sucks.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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managed software, managed hardware, managed people

are you an anarchist, then? i am curious

I question the sanity of anyone who takes a good hard look at the world around them and isn't a little bit of an anarchist.
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