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macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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managed software, managed hardware, managed people

One of the worst things about the move to smartphones is the inability to make full backups. I don't understand. It's my own device, all the data belongs to me, and I should be able to back it up whenever I want.

Back when I used to play with roms in the Android world being able to back things up was neat… but also took a ton of space and was crazy cumbersome.

I kinda prefer iCloud style backups.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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What is this about? I seem to be missing a lot of context. > Apple broke the replicator. What's the replicator? > What this means is this: until Apple fixes the bug, you'll have to use "Backup - all files" with "Smart Update" to copy everything but the OS. Use that where? Is that an option in some macOS tool?

This is from the SuperDuper backup folks. SuperDuper is a tool that you can use to make bootable backups of your macOS system. Apple took away the ability for 3rd party tools to manipulate the OS and copy it to another partition/drive and took it upon themselves to provide that functionality via a utility. That utility is apparently non-functional in 15.2. So that breaks SuperDuper's ability to make a nice, clean, bo…

Maybe boot a Linux USB drive and use dd to copy the drive? I assume this is too easy, but I'm curious about where it fails.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

#63

managed software, managed hardware, managed people

One of the worst things about the move to smartphones is the inability to make full backups. I don't understand. It's my own device, all the data belongs to me, and I should be able to back it up whenever I want.

That is why many people complain about not really owning the device. And some others defend not owning the device because - cool reasons; and if someone owns his own device that breaks the magic for everyone involved, somehow /s

Do something about it? Get an Android phone you can root and own your device;

And if you feel you are missing something, slap an apple sticker on the back /s

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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What is this about? I seem to be missing a lot of context. > Apple broke the replicator. What's the replicator? > What this means is this: until Apple fixes the bug, you'll have to use "Backup - all files" with "Smart Update" to copy everything but the OS. Use that where? Is that an option in some macOS tool?

Apple’s built-in backup solution is called Time Machine. It was dogshit when it launched a decade ago, never got more reliable despite many OS releases, and is still largely dogshit.

The author of the blog makes an application that is very good at making backups on macOS and now their app is broken due to skullduggery by Apple.

So the issue is threefold: a) Apple further turning MascOS into iPhone, b) this harms competition, and c) users ultimately suffer because Apple has no incentive to get better.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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In theory I can make bluetooth and wifi and deep-sleep work with Linux, but am I actually able to fix it? No, and not for a lack of trying. If we're talking about practical ability to fix what goes wrong with my daily driver, then macOS still wins hands down.

As opposed to all the people who can't make a USB keyboard work with MacOS and can't do a damn thing about it . The thread about it generally reaches 40+ pages before Apple erases it only for it to come back. Apple has known about it for half a decade. I can pinpoint the OS release when they broke it. Sure, it doesn't seem to affect everybody, but the people it does affect have no recourse. With MacOS, as long as eve…

idk my xbox controller works on macOS, doesn't on Linux. Same bluetooth chipset (Magic of multiple drives and hackintoshing some crap). Idk what USB thing you're talking about but you surely seem to be capable of providing some actual useful info for people like me who would actually like to understand what you're talking about?

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In theory I can make bluetooth and wifi and deep-sleep work with Linux, but am I actually able to fix it? No, and not for a lack of trying. If we're talking about practical ability to fix what goes wrong with my daily driver, then macOS still wins hands down.

As opposed to all the people who can't make a USB keyboard work with MacOS and can't do a damn thing about it . The thread about it generally reaches 40+ pages before Apple erases it only for it to come back. Apple has known about it for half a decade. I can pinpoint the OS release when they broke it. Sure, it doesn't seem to affect everybody, but the people it does affect have no recourse. With MacOS, as long as eve…

When did it break, and why does it still work for me? (Mac Studio, M1 Max, macOS 15.2)

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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> This sucks. We think it sucks. You think it sucks. But we can't fix it: Apple has to do so. And this is why I gave up on macOS several years ago now and moved to Linux. It's not about which OS is better or worse. All software has bugs. It's about the empowerment to _do something_ about the inevitable bugs, rather than wait and hope that a fix comes down from above.

And not just that: if an update breaks my Linux install, I can figure out what broke it and roll back to an older version. Rolling back updates on macOS or Windows is just... not really a thing, at least not without a full reinstall, assuming you even have installation media for older versions these days.

You can. Most Linux users can't -- I say 90%, if not 99%. Most Linux users are just users, many of which don't know how to use tar or xargs without looking it up, very few have the technical knowledge and capability of figuring out "what broke it".

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is from the SuperDuper backup folks. SuperDuper is a tool that you can use to make bootable backups of your macOS system. Apple took away the ability for 3rd party tools to manipulate the OS and copy it to another partition/drive and took it upon themselves to provide that functionality via a utility. That utility is apparently non-functional in 15.2. So that breaks SuperDuper's ability to make a nice, clean, bo…

Maybe boot a Linux USB drive and use dd to copy the drive? I assume this is too easy, but I'm curious about where it fails.

Maybe if the target device is the same part number (I assume an m.2 NVMe), that would work. IDK if it works with other drives, e.g. different capacity, let alone using a USB-attached drive. I don't know what bits, beyond the image proper, belong to the trusted signed set.

Re: macOS 15.2 breaks the ability to copy the OS to another drive

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the worst things about the move to smartphones is the inability to make full backups. I don't understand. It's my own device, all the data belongs to me, and I should be able to back it up whenever I want.

It’s very easy on iOS to make a backup of your phone including all apps, settings, and data. Either to the cloud to locally to your own storage. What am I missing?

FYI for anyone who just needs to backup using a Windows machine (for me: download hundreds/thousands of photos reliably), iMazing has worked well enough.
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