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McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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If you're talking about legal matters then words are important. No one was ever forced to take a vaccine. Nor were they coerced by the state.

meaning like losing a job unless you get a jab, considering that a significant force?

That is a private company making a decision about their work environment.

You don't have the right to demand that they cater to your requirements.

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> The rich and powerful once again are allowed to buy their freedom. Well... have you seen the news lately?

Or… ever?

The rich and powerful are pretty famous for not saving the consequences of their actions, I'm not sure what you are implying....

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A slap on the wrist. After a half million Americans have died from a crisis they helped kickstart, they should be facing criminal charges and jail time. The rich and powerful once again are allowed to buy their freedom.

I still don’t think it’s enough, but let’s be clear. They are facing criminal charges and jail time. See the DOJ press release: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-... > Today’s resolution marks the first time a management consulting firm has been held criminally responsible for advice resulting in the commission of a crime by a client and reflects the Justice Department’s ongoing efforts to h…

If you or I killed a half a million people, we wouldn't be facing 20 years in prison. We'd be lucky to not be facing a firing squad or a noose.

All I ask is that the leadership of McKinsey be treated to that same standard. Let their golden parachutes be literal.

Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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Until you have serious bonus clawbacks for every such case, it is just cost of doing business. Just increasing the fines won't do much, they will just fire more people citing costs and the market will applaud that with rising stock price.

Its complex cause you cant really find one person to blame. What no one really says is we are struggling with complexity overload. And what complicates it is all the people's wealth and status accumulation falsely signals control. When they really have less and less control the more complex the system gets.

When you look at pentagon leaders and afg/iraq or Wall St CEOs and 2008 gfc or the Pope and the peado army or linux kernel maintainers and serious security bugs found everyday the commonality is Complexity.

No one is fit the more complex things gets. So even though we get Tahrir Square once in a while, decade later we still have Generals in charge.

Scaling has become easy but scaling without unintended costs and consequences the past few decades have shown is complex.

Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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A slap on the wrist. After a half million Americans have died from a crisis they helped kickstart, they should be facing criminal charges and jail time. The rich and powerful once again are allowed to buy their freedom.

> A slap on the wrist. After a half million Americans have died from a crisis they helped kickstart, they should be facing criminal charges and jail time.

I keep reading people who say, over and over again, that the war on drugs is a failure and that it's a mistake to try criminally prosecute suppliers and send them to prison. People will always find a way to get the drugs if they want them, we're told.

But then I see the same people turn around that McKinsey is responsible for millions of deaths from the opioid crisis, and the execs involved should be held criminally responsible.

It's hard to reconcile the calls for criminal prosecution against McKinsey execs with the argument that drugs should be legalized and that we shouldn't go after other suppliers of drugs.

Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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A slap on the wrist. After a half million Americans have died from a crisis they helped kickstart, they should be facing criminal charges and jail time. The rich and powerful once again are allowed to buy their freedom.

> A slap on the wrist. After a half million Americans have died from a crisis they helped kickstart, they should be facing criminal charges and jail time. I keep reading people who say, over and over again, that the war on drugs is a failure and that it's a mistake to try criminally prosecute suppliers and send them to prison. People will always find a way to get the drugs if they want them, we're told. But then I se…

I'm not sure most people are against going after the suppliers, even if they support decriminalization. Decriminalization should mean that users are not prosecuted for simply using drugs, but those participating in the manufacture and distribution are still held responsible.

Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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My mom got hooked in 99 after she slipped on ice at her house in Bluefield, WV. Became a full blown addict after getting prescribed for the subsequent back injury. She lost everything, disappeared, became a homeless addict drifting from DC to Baltimore to NYC and back, until she died of an overdose of heroin in a parking lot of a 7-11 in DC in December 2015. Her story and the impact on me and my 4 siblings is a drop…

I am so sorry to hear what happened to your Mom. This is a slap on the wrist to those who suffered and to those who loved them. How do companies like McKinsey get away with this?

> How do companies like McKinsey get away with this?

Money. Any other questions?

Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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A slap on the wrist. After a half million Americans have died from a crisis they helped kickstart, they should be facing criminal charges and jail time. The rich and powerful once again are allowed to buy their freedom.

> A slap on the wrist. After a half million Americans have died from a crisis they helped kickstart, they should be facing criminal charges and jail time. I keep reading people who say, over and over again, that the war on drugs is a failure and that it's a mistake to try criminally prosecute suppliers and send them to prison. People will always find a way to get the drugs if they want them, we're told. But then I se…

It’s consistent. Go after the big guys, suppliers and other enablers. Not after the individual addict.

Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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With all the overdose deaths and the lives ruined by opioids, I guess I'm a little bit surprised this didn't result in criminal charges for someone at McKinsey. Surely there must be some emails or texts that are inculpating.

As long as you hide behind a corporation, you can do pretty much whatever you want. Worst case, the company will pay a nominal fine as cost of doing business. And maybe somebody gets fired with a large severance.
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