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McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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Nothing hypothetical about that, it’s generally how US healthcare works barring people being declared mentally incompetent, court ordered treatment, etc. To address the seeming contradiction. Vaccination was never imposed by the healthcare system on patients during COVID, it was required by cruse ships, schools, and yes hospitals for staff etc.

Which wasn't justified and should probably be an illegal requirement on privacy grounds. It doesn't make a difference if people doing work were vaccinated or not. It turns out to have had little in-practice effect on transmission, so the only important question is whether the passengers on things like a cruise were vaccinated themselves. They were evidence-free policies. We had a great natural case study in Australia…

> We had a great natural case study in Australia of COVID through a vaccinated population. Everyone caught it over the course of a month, the vaccines did basically nothing to stop the spread. They were pretty much only useful on an individual level which means there was never a requirement for any coercive measures.

I am from Australia and this is all nonsense.

a) Vaccines are not designed to prevent transmission. They are designed to stop people from getting seriously ill and dying.

b) Vaccines and lockdowns were vital in high-density areas like Victoria and NSW which saw health care systems almost instantly overwhelmed. This was then causing mass deaths for both COVID and non-COVID cases. It was a public health emergency by every definition.

c) COVID was only allowed to spread once enough of the population was vaccinated. And that was because instead of needing to go into hospital people could stay at home for a few days. And even then it has taken years for the system to recover.

Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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If the company was not meaningfully involved in selling a dangerous addictive substance falsely marketed that resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans then they should not face any penalty or fines. On the other hand, if they were, this is on a similar order of magnitude to American losses in World War 2, and their executives should be hung and company ended with shareholders zeroed out.

Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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A slap on the wrist. After a half million Americans have died from a crisis they helped kickstart, they should be facing criminal charges and jail time. The rich and powerful once again are allowed to buy their freedom.

My mom got hooked in 99 after she slipped on ice at her house in Bluefield, WV. Became a full blown addict after getting prescribed for the subsequent back injury. She lost everything, disappeared, became a homeless addict drifting from DC to Baltimore to NYC and back, until she died of an overdose of heroin in a parking lot of a 7-11 in DC in December 2015. Her story and the impact on me and my 4 siblings is a drop…

I am so sorry to hear what happened to your Mom. This is a slap on the wrist to those who suffered and to those who loved them.

How do companies like McKinsey get away with this?

Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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A slap on the wrist. After a half million Americans have died from a crisis they helped kickstart, they should be facing criminal charges and jail time. The rich and powerful once again are allowed to buy their freedom.

> The rich and powerful once again are allowed to buy their freedom. Well... have you seen the news lately?

Or… ever?

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Opioids were known to be harmful. Purdue attacked the gatekeepers and policy makers not the science. It was mostly a story of what happens when a well funded con artist enters an environment built on trust. Suddenly pain management was viewed as very important by the medical establishment, while mostly paying lip service to all the long term consequences of said actions. After all you can’t actually know how much som…

> Opioids were known to be harmful. So, hypothetically, if a doctor prescribed me opioids I should be allowed to say I don't want to take them? Even if the manufacturers assure me it is safe, effective and they have lots of evidence of the same. Because to me that seems like a logical conclusion. I think that should be a general policy. People should be able to overrule doctors on the subject of how they are treated.

Opioids don't prevent a virus from multiplying and spreading to other people without their consent either!

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Yes — they were coerced by the state including having normal freedoms removed, which is what generally defines “legal obligation”.

If you're talking about legal matters then words are important. No one was ever forced to take a vaccine. Nor were they coerced by the state.

meaning like losing a job unless you get a jab, considering that a significant force?

Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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McKinsey makes something like 10 billion annually in revenue. This is a slap on the wrist. People need to be held accountable for these misdeeds.

Criminal charges for execs and board members

higher chance of me marrying gisele than that ever happening :)
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