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Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Post by tylerchilds »

forrestthewoods wrote: post #53
tylerchilds wrote: post #46

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i would like to highlight, and not discredit, the great work valve has done for the linux ecosystem, namely in getting arch based distros to a quality that hacker news comments can write it off as “emulating windows” for example, all my non-windows, non-steam gamepad support stems from valve investing in improving upstream compatibility to where devices just work, without needing to go to a vendor website to download…

Valve is great! I love my SteamDeck. I just think it’s hilarious that the trick to making gaming on Linux possible was to use exes compiled for Windows.

that’s only a tiny aspect of it, which is why i used the word “reductive” specifically

there’s so much more internal plumbing that happened, mostly in the hardware compatibility and device driver layer of the stack.

i’ve been double clicking .exes using wine since 2008. i haven’t been able to use every gamepad under the sun on linux until valve funded device compatibility— not just “steam” or “steamos” or “steamdeck”— the upstream.

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Post by sleepybrett »

aaomidi wrote: post #57
echoangle wrote: post #55

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> It seemed like "productive" was used in a relative sense. Would all those people be more productive on macOS or Linux? That's not clear. I would assume that companies are semi-rational actors and would switch if they could improve productivity that way. Especially since some sectors (graphic design for example) seem to prefer MacOS while others don’t. Of course there are some other factors (support, network effect,…

> I would assume that companies are semi-rational actors and would switch if they could improve productivity that way. lol

Indeed, i have never worked for a single company bigger than about 10 people that I could call 'semi-rational' when it comes to maximizing their worker productivity vs costs.

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Post by sleepybrett »

emptiestplace wrote: post #52
eitland wrote: post #48

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Mac user here, and I think Mac really isn't far away from being worst. Between only now finally getting tiling[1], menus filled with items I haven't seen anyone use, and since WSL came on Windows it is now the absolutely most clumsy mainstream thing to install a standard tool. Oh, and shortcuts. I still use it because it is silent, has a good display, just works when I open it, has a battery that actually last all da…

Hm. I spend most of my time in iTerm. MacOS is Unixy and cozy. WSL definitely is clumsy - actually, everything to do with containers in Windows is a pain in the ass to deal with. Run Windows in kvm, not the other way around. Have you tried Rectangle? It's not automatic, but I find it a reasonable compromise. Last I tried, Yabai et. al. were all pretty flaky compared to proper x11 twms.

For my window management on mac os I wrote some javascript and use https://github.com/kasper/phoenix

I will concede that macos default out of the box also has some UI/UX issues for people who are or want to be 'hands on keyboard 100% of the time' but there are a few tools out there that I've found for myself that solve many of the problems. Phoenix being one, but also recently homerow https://www.homerow.app/, when I was back on windows in the bad old days of the early 2000s I ran a lot of software to facilitate my workflows by tweaking the system ui/ux.

But windows in my house is an overly expensive gaming console with occasional web browsing. MacOs is a very 'cozy' as you put it unix. Much of my job is also terminal based so having a standard shell is great (even though I'm still occasionally bitten by the 'i copied this stuff that worked in my terminal onto a linux machine and I forgot my grep/awk/whatever is BSD and not GNU.. fak').

I was excited back when MS announced the Linux Subsystem.. but man fuck ... so hacky. Also why the fuck is no one at MS replacing the standard terminal with something that actually functions properly? I mean sure I upgrade to iterm2 on macos, but using the built in termial is like 90% of the way there. The windows commandline shell (and not like the antique DOS stuff, and I can see that powershell is better, but not better enough that i'm going to bother with it.. like the actual terminal software is my biggest gripe) is simply garbage, no proper support even for the global clipboard as I recall.. different hotkeys than the rest of the system.

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Post by bmitc »

neilalexander wrote: post #64
bmitc wrote: post #19

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> because you can actually use your computer as a computer This is such a vague and pointless argument that somehow manages to mean absolutely nothing at all. What defines "to use a computer as a computer"? Do you mean to say that all of the things I do day-to-day on a Mac (like software development, communication, media consumption, life organisation) don't count? You're never going to find a computer that satisfies…

It's a metaphor.

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Post by SideQuark »

bitvoid wrote: post #47
SideQuark wrote: post #38

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I know plenty, devs all over the spectrum. And the data back it up. https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2024/technology/

This is the question from the survey: > What is the primary operating system in which you work? It doesn't ask anything about preference and I wager most people don't have a say in OS for their jobs. Same reason that Microsoft Teams is the most "popular" synchronous tool, yet so low in the "admired" section. That's not to say you're wrong, just that the data you linked to does not "back it up".

There’s a ton of other questions, such as about visual studio (on windows, where else), loved stacks (.Net leads a category…likely most of that is dev on windows). Look at C#, Azure, ASP.NET, ASP.NET Core, Teams over slack and all in that category, and on and on.

And calling teams low in the desired section is such an odd assessment. It’s 3rd out about 2 dozen, and you ignore other highly desired items like .Net being #1 in its category, visual studio 4th of about 2 dozen, and others.

So yes, the data backs up that a lot of devs are on windows and that a lot want to use tech that windows devs use. That you so misrepresent one category and ignore others is not a very good way to understand the evidence, which far outweighs any one persons opinion in this thread.

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Post by bitvoid »

SideQuark wrote: post #75
bitvoid wrote: post #47

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This is the question from the survey: > What is the primary operating system in which you work? It doesn't ask anything about preference and I wager most people don't have a say in OS for their jobs. Same reason that Microsoft Teams is the most "popular" synchronous tool, yet so low in the "admired" section. That's not to say you're wrong, just that the data you linked to does not "back it up".

There’s a ton of other questions, such as about visual studio (on windows, where else), loved stacks (.Net leads a category…likely most of that is dev on windows). Look at C#, Azure, ASP.NET, ASP.NET Core, Teams over slack and all in that category, and on and on. And calling teams low in the desired section is such an odd assessment. It’s 3rd out about 2 dozen, and you ignore other highly desired items like .Net bein…

> And calling teams low in the desired section is such an odd assessment.

I said it ranks low in "admired" (i.e., those who use it and want to continue using it). Less than 50% of those using it want to continue using it despite it being the most "popular" by a significant percentage. If everyone had their choice, Teams would drop heavily in popularity.

Regardless, it was just an example of how "popularity" doesn't mean anything because most people don't have a choice in their day jobs.

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Post by aaomidi »

forrestthewoods wrote: post #61
aaomidi wrote: post #58

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Is it? When there’s a dominant player that’s practically the only way?

No. Linux just sucks and is bad at deploying proprietary software in a reliable manner. It's not particularly difficult to target a broad combination of Windows, macOS, Android, iOS, Switch, PlayStation, and Xbox. They're all basically the same. Even x64 vs ARM is largely irrelevant. In a sense SteamOS isn't even Linux. It's one distribution with no user modifications running on one set of hardware. It's closer to a…

> No. Linux just sucks and is bad at deploying proprietary software in a reliable manner.

Yeah this is a feature. Games on Linux are running fine by the way.

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Post by aaomidi »

sleepybrett wrote: post #72
aaomidi wrote: post #57

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> I would assume that companies are semi-rational actors and would switch if they could improve productivity that way. lol

Indeed, i have never worked for a single company bigger than about 10 people that I could call 'semi-rational' when it comes to maximizing their worker productivity vs costs.

I've seen them be semi-rational on making decisions that actively reduce employee productivity.

At the end of the day, I don't think employee productivity matters much to large corporations.

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Post by CoolCold »

cam_l wrote: post #59
spiderfarmer wrote: post #24

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For me? Windows. How can people be productive on an OS that doesn’t allow you to focus.

Easy, I just spend a few minutes every morning disabling all the new notifications, and the forced full page Microsoft ads, resetting all the settings that changed in an overnight update, write a quick powershell script to uninstall the new programs and features I never asked for, and then disable edge and omedrive again and I am ready for the day. Then I do it all again at lunch..

> resetting all the settings that changed in an overnight update

how to track those? I'm on the way of applying 24H2 update right now and laptop's uptime is 28 days, I may have many such settings changed, if I follow your idea correctly

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