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Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Post by happymellon »

sleepybrett wrote: post #27
gamblor956 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hundreds of millions of people manage to be productive on Windows.

do they really, or is windows just what they use to launch excel? I don't know a single software developer that prefers windows anymore.

God, where I work makes me use a Mac.

Absolutely terrible functionally, but I'm sure it looks pretty enough to some people that the papercuts don't matter.

Even after using one at various roles over the past 10+ years or so, I'm far more productive on my Lenovo with Fedora.

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Post by emptiestplace »

eitland wrote: post #48
emptiestplace wrote: post #44

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It's really bad, though. Like ... objectively abysmal. No other popular platform is more dev-hostile. I think most folks are there because they lack choice or experience with alternatives.

Mac user here, and I think Mac really isn't far away from being worst. Between only now finally getting tiling[1], menus filled with items I haven't seen anyone use, and since WSL came on Windows it is now the absolutely most clumsy mainstream thing to install a standard tool. Oh, and shortcuts. I still use it because it is silent, has a good display, just works when I open it, has a battery that actually last all da…

Hm. I spend most of my time in iTerm. MacOS is Unixy and cozy. WSL definitely is clumsy - actually, everything to do with containers in Windows is a pain in the ass to deal with. Run Windows in kvm, not the other way around.

Have you tried Rectangle? It's not automatic, but I find it a reasonable compromise. Last I tried, Yabai et. al. were all pretty flaky compared to proper x11 twms.

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Post by forrestthewoods »

tylerchilds wrote: post #46
forrestthewoods wrote: post #37

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Hi, I’m a software developer that prefers Windows. I make video games. Most video game devs used Windows. Most video games are played on Windows. In a great twist of irony a majority of gaming hours spent on Linux now do so through SteamOS and is doing so by emulating Windows! (Well, close enough). Developing on Linux sucks and is bad. There’s no good debugger. glibc is a nightmare of bad design. Linux package manage…

i would like to highlight, and not discredit, the great work valve has done for the linux ecosystem, namely in getting arch based distros to a quality that hacker news comments can write it off as “emulating windows” for example, all my non-windows, non-steam gamepad support stems from valve investing in improving upstream compatibility to where devices just work, without needing to go to a vendor website to download…

Valve is great! I love my SteamDeck. I just think it’s hilarious that the trick to making gaming on Linux possible was to use exes compiled for Windows.

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Post by vips7L »

sleepybrett wrote: post #27
gamblor956 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hundreds of millions of people manage to be productive on Windows.

do they really, or is windows just what they use to launch excel? I don't know a single software developer that prefers windows anymore.

You can rip Windows from my cold dead hands. It just works.

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Post by echoangle »

bitvoid wrote: post #50
echoangle wrote: post #49

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The question isn’t wether they want to use windows but if they’re productive using it. Unless you want to claim that a large proportion of devs isn’t productive, having a proportion of devs use windows proves that it works.

It seemed like "productive" was used in a relative sense. Would all those people be more productive on macOS or Linux? That's not clear. Also, I thought the parent was replying to the following part, considering they said "I know plenty". > I don't know a single software developer that prefers windows anymore.

> It seemed like "productive" was used in a relative sense. Would all those people be more productive on macOS or Linux? That's not clear.

I would assume that companies are semi-rational actors and would switch if they could improve productivity that way. Especially since some sectors (graphic design for example) seem to prefer MacOS while others don’t. Of course there are some other factors (support, network effect, purchase cost) but if windows was just plainly unproductive, surely it wouldn’t be as popular as it is.

> Also, I thought the parent was replying to the following part, considering they said "I know plenty".

True, the survey doesn’t prove they actually prefer windows, u missed that context.

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Post by spiderfarmer »

happymellon wrote: post #51
sleepybrett wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

do they really, or is windows just what they use to launch excel? I don't know a single software developer that prefers windows anymore.

God, where I work makes me use a Mac. Absolutely terrible functionally, but I'm sure it looks pretty enough to some people that the papercuts don't matter. Even after using one at various roles over the past 10+ years or so, I'm far more productive on my Lenovo with Fedora.

You're not making a great case for Windows.

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Post by aaomidi »

echoangle wrote: post #55
bitvoid wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seemed like "productive" was used in a relative sense. Would all those people be more productive on macOS or Linux? That's not clear. Also, I thought the parent was replying to the following part, considering they said "I know plenty". > I don't know a single software developer that prefers windows anymore.

> It seemed like "productive" was used in a relative sense. Would all those people be more productive on macOS or Linux? That's not clear. I would assume that companies are semi-rational actors and would switch if they could improve productivity that way. Especially since some sectors (graphic design for example) seem to prefer MacOS while others don’t. Of course there are some other factors (support, network effect,…

> I would assume that companies are semi-rational actors and would switch if they could improve productivity that way.

lol

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Post by aaomidi »

forrestthewoods wrote: post #53
tylerchilds wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i would like to highlight, and not discredit, the great work valve has done for the linux ecosystem, namely in getting arch based distros to a quality that hacker news comments can write it off as “emulating windows” for example, all my non-windows, non-steam gamepad support stems from valve investing in improving upstream compatibility to where devices just work, without needing to go to a vendor website to download…

Valve is great! I love my SteamDeck. I just think it’s hilarious that the trick to making gaming on Linux possible was to use exes compiled for Windows.

Is it? When there’s a dominant player that’s practically the only way?

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Post by cam_l »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #24
StressedDev wrote: post #6

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What put you off?

For me? Windows. How can people be productive on an OS that doesn’t allow you to focus.

Easy, I just spend a few minutes every morning disabling all the new notifications, and the forced full page Microsoft ads, resetting all the settings that changed in an overnight update, write a quick powershell script to uninstall the new programs and features I never asked for, and then disable edge and omedrive again and I am ready for the day.

Then I do it all again at lunch..

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Post by happymellon »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #56
happymellon wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

God, where I work makes me use a Mac. Absolutely terrible functionally, but I'm sure it looks pretty enough to some people that the papercuts don't matter. Even after using one at various roles over the past 10+ years or so, I'm far more productive on my Lenovo with Fedora.

You're not making a great case for Windows.

Wasn't trying to but I may have accidentally replied to the wrong comment.

Windows is god awful, Macs at least have virtual desktops that mostly work. Windows sort of has them, but its really an afterthought. Hopefully you don't get an application trying to grab focus on an alternative VD, at best it will switch, but I've seen it lock interactions until you find it.

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