A slap on the wrist. After a half million Americans have died from a crisis they helped kickstart, they should be facing criminal charges and jail time. The rich and powerful once again are allowed to buy their freedom.
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, pain management is even more important and they got that wrong. COVID was just a flash in the pan then it seems to have settled down into the background as an issue, while chronic pain is an ongoing thing that is easier to study. So even if we assume that they weight their efforts by importance that isn't particularly impressive for the COVID authoritarianism.
Government rules around COVID were also a flash in the pan. On a per-day basis it was pretty proportional to the urgency.
Children are still behind in school.
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> Corporate laptops are backed up, with backups offsite. I find it hard to believe that the only copy was on his laptop. Not defending anyone and maybe McKinsey is different but I have never had a corporate laptop with built-in backup. I am always left to figure that out on my own.
From what I can tell, it looks like they used Box to store the most incriminating stuff. https://www.industrydocuments.ucsf.edu/wp-content/uploads/20... Specifically https://www.industrydocuments.ucsf.edu/opioids/docs/#id=skbm... In an email from: Jeff Smith to: Amir Golan cc: Arnab Ghatak > Amir - going forward it's absolutely essential for the team to only use Box for distribution of documents and all documents hav…
Distribution of documents is not a system backup. I haven't used Box but if it is a distribution mechanism I suspect it is opt-in, as in you have to choose to distribute a document with it. You could still print or email the document, or use any other service. Box is just the mechanism by policy. The policy wouldn't even apply to documents that aren't distributed.
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#44McKinsey makes something like 10 billion annually in revenue. This is a slap on the wrist. People need to be held accountable for these misdeeds.
Criminal charges for execs and board members
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All this time did you think you were under a legal obligation to follow your doctor’s orders? You don’t have to do anything your doctor says. During COVID plenty of people chose to not listen to advice about vaccines and did not get vaccinated (and some did die from COVID for their efforts).
Yes — they were coerced by the state including having normal freedoms removed, which is what generally defines “legal obligation”.
Yet here I am, with all my freedoms intact, and still not vaccinated.
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#46Left hand. COVID proved that we could establish safety & efficacy of a medical treatment in about 12 months, to the point where as I recall a lot of the manufacturers have a legal exemption from any liability for damage done by vaccines. Right hand. There are these opioids have been around for decades and somehow they reached this huge level of damage. Largely the same cultures of people involved. I still think the a…
Nothing worse than these straw man arguments.
a) Nobody has ever said that pharmaceutical companies should be blindly trusted.
b) The companies only have an exemption for COVID and similar emergencies and only when the damages are not caused by wilful misconduct. The idea being that getting the vaccines out sooner would save more lives than any side effects.
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> Opioids were known to be harmful. So, hypothetically, if a doctor prescribed me opioids I should be allowed to say I don't want to take them? Even if the manufacturers assure me it is safe, effective and they have lots of evidence of the same. Because to me that seems like a logical conclusion. I think that should be a general policy. People should be able to overrule doctors on the subject of how they are treated.
All this time did you think you were under a legal obligation to follow your doctor’s orders? You don’t have to do anything your doctor says. During COVID plenty of people chose to not listen to advice about vaccines and did not get vaccinated (and some did die from COVID for their efforts).
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
All this time did you think you were under a legal obligation to follow your doctor’s orders? You don’t have to do anything your doctor says. During COVID plenty of people chose to not listen to advice about vaccines and did not get vaccinated (and some did die from COVID for their efforts).
Yes — they were coerced by the state including having normal freedoms removed, which is what generally defines “legal obligation”.
If you're talking about legal matters then words are important.
No one was ever forced to take a vaccine. Nor were they coerced by the state.
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> Corporate laptops are backed up, with backups offsite. I find it hard to believe that the only copy was on his laptop. Not defending anyone and maybe McKinsey is different but I have never had a corporate laptop with built-in backup. I am always left to figure that out on my own.
From what I can tell, it looks like they used Box to store the most incriminating stuff. https://www.industrydocuments.ucsf.edu/wp-content/uploads/20... Specifically https://www.industrydocuments.ucsf.edu/opioids/docs/#id=skbm... In an email from: Jeff Smith to: Amir Golan cc: Arnab Ghatak > Amir - going forward it's absolutely essential for the team to only use Box for distribution of documents and all documents hav…
So Arnab "Arnie" is facing 20 years [1] for destruction of evidence
But Martin Elling (very much his senior) can only get a maximum of 1 year [2] as per the plea deal.
> A former senior partner at McKinsey, Martin Elling, has also agreed to plead guilty to obstruction of justice for destroying records related to McKinsey's work for Purdue, according to court papers. He is scheduled to enter his plea on Jan. 10.
[1] https://www.globalindiantimes.com/p/mckinsey-opioid-122024
[2] https://www.reuters.com/legal/consulting-firm-mckinsey-pay-6...