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Post by threeseed »

hn1986 wrote: post #233
vineyardmike wrote: post #22

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It’s certainly in response to Elon getting more involved in the government. Recently the CFO basically challenged him to try and use his influence against competition “I trust that Elon would act completely appropriately… and not un-American [by abusing his influence for personal gain]”. The best thing they can do is shine as much light on his behavior in the hope that he backs down to avoid further scrutiny. Now tha…

It's naive for anyone to think that Elon won't use his influence in government to empower his companies and weaken his competitors.

He spent $250m+ on helping get Trump elected.

Of course he is going to try and recoup some of that money back.

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Post by danenania »

ben_w wrote: post #217
naming_the_user wrote: post #190

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> For current standards of what intelligence means, we'd better hope we don't get ASI in the next decade or two, because if and when that happens then "humans need not apply" — and by extension, foundational assumptions of economics may just stop holding true. I'm not sure that we need superintelligence for that to be the case - it may depend on whether you include physical ability in the definition of intelligence.…

While I would certainly expect a radical change to economics even from a middling IQ AI — or indeed a low IQ, as I have previously used the example of IQ 85 because that's 15.9% of the population that would become permanently unable to be economically useful — I don't think it's quite as you say. Increasing IQ scores seem to allow increasingly difficult tasks to be performed competently — not just the same tasks fast…

I think this trend of using IQ as a primary measuring stick is flawed.

Human minds and AI minds have radically different architectures, and therefore have different strengths and weaknesses. IQ is only one component of what allows a typical worker to do their job.

Even just comparing humans, the fact that one person with, say, a 120 IQ can do a particular job—say they are an excellent doctor—obviously does not mean that any other human with an equal or greater IQ can also do that job effectively.

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Post by bee_rider »

lyu07282 wrote: post #257
linotype wrote: post #215

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Doing what exactly? What industry could Mars possibly support profitably?

perhaps the "not dying on earth industry" after climate catastrophy hits

While I’m convinced we’re going to screw this planet up, the gap between “as bad as we can make Earth” and “as good as we can make Mars” is pretty huge, right? And not in a way that is optimistic for Mars.

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Post by tim333 »

n144q wrote: post #260
arthurcolle wrote: post #144

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It reappeared as e-bikes and e-scooters - Lime, Bird, etc.

None of which is doing great.

There are about 70 lime bikes that commute to the square by my flat. There's definitely some ebike stuff ongoing.

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Post by delusional »

lsy wrote: post #58

I guess it's not news but it is pretty wild to see the level of millenarianism espoused by all of these guys. The board of OpenAI is supposedly going to "determine the fate of the world", robotics to be "completely solved" by 2020, the goal of OpenAI is to "avoid an AGI dictatorship". Is nobody in these very rich guys' spheres pushing back on their thought process? So far we are multiple years in with much investment…

I agree with your analysis. The nice thing I've realized is that this means I can just stop paying attention to it. The product sucks, and is useless. The people are all idiots with god complexes. All the money are fake funny money they get from their rich friends in silicon valley.

It will literally have no impact on anything. It will be like NFT's however long ago that was. Everybody will talk about how important it is, then they wont. Life will go one as it always have, with people and work, and the slow march of progress. In 30 years nobody is going to remember who "sam altman" was.

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Post by BrickFingers »

sigh_again wrote: post #206
rvz wrote: post #54

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It is true. [0] [0] https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/spectrum-x-ethernet-netwo...

Even just Meta dwarfs Twitter's cluster, with an estimated 350k H100s by now.

2 months ago Jensen Huang did an interview where he said xAi built the fastest cluster with 100k GPUs.he said "what they achieved is singular, never been done before" https://youtu.be/bUrCR4jQQg8?si=i0MpcIawMVHmHS2e

Meta said they would expand their infrastructure to include 350k GPUs by the end of this year. But, my guess is they meant a collection of AI clusters not a singular large cluster. In the post where they mentioned this, they shared details on 2 clusters with 24k GPUs each.https://engineering.fb.com/2024/03/12/data-center-engineerin...

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Post by eastbound »

manquer wrote: post #179
ben_w wrote: post #128

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> Is nobody in these very rich guys' spheres pushing back on their thought process? Yes, frequently and loudly. When Altman was collecting the award at Cambridge the other year, protesters dropped in on the after-award public talk/Q&A session, and he actively empathised with the protestors . > So far we are multiple years in with much investment and little return, and no obvious large-scale product-market fit, much l…

> The product market fit is fantastic. This isn't the first time I've heard random strangers discussing it in public. Hardly the evidence of PMF. There is always something new in the zeitgeist, that every one is talking about, some more so than others . 2 years before it was VR, few years before that NFTs and blockchain everything, before that it was self driving cars before that personal voice assistants like Siri a…

Common, VR, NFTs and blockchain were always abysses of void looking for a usecase. Driving cars maybe, but development has been stalling for 15 years.

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Post by Dig1t »

yodsanklai wrote: post #213
Dig1t wrote: post #188

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I'm going to favorite this thread and come back with a comment in 10 years. I think it will be fun to revisit this conversation. If you really don't think that this line of research and development is leading to AGI then I think you are being hopelessly myopic. >robotics to be "completely solved" by 2020 There are some incredible advances happening _right now_ in robotics largely due to advances in AI. Obviously 2020…

> line of research and development is leading to AGI What do you mean by AGI exactly? if you want to come back in 10 years to see who's right, at least you should provide some objective criteria so we can decide if the goal has been attained.

I'm talking about this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_general_intelligenc...

>Artificial general intelligence (AGI) is a type of artificial intelligence (AI) that matches or surpasses human cognitive capabilities across a wide range of cognitive tasks.

Most (if not all) of the tests listed on the wikipedia page will be passed:

>Several tests meant to confirm human-level AGI have been considered, including:

>The Turing Test (Turing)

This test is of course already passed by all the existing models.

>The Robot College Student Test (Goertzel)

>The Employment Test (Nilsson)

>The Ikea test (Marcus)

>The Coffee Test (Wozniak)

>The Modern Turing Test (Suleyman)

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