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Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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> OpenAI is the fastest growing startup by revenue, ever. No it's not. Facebook hit $2B in Revenue in late 2010 - early 2011, ~5 years after its founding. https://dazeinfo.com/2018/11/14/facebook-revenue-and-net-inc...

Finding one example of him being wrong still kinda supports his point, don't you think?

Especially when that example is Facebook!

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Nobody seems to remember how the Segway was going to change our world, backed by many of the VC power figures at the time + Steve Jobs.

The Segway was a bit early, and too expensive, but I would defend it... sort of. Electric micromobility is a pretty huge driver of how people negotiate the modern city. Self-balancing segways, e-skate, e-bike and scooters are all pretty big changes that we are seeing in many modern cityscapes. Hell, a shared electric bike was just used as a getaway vehicle for an assassination in NYC.

e-/bikes and e-/scooters are big changes to city navigation.

e-skate and segways are non-factors. And that's the difference between a good product (ebike or even just plain old bikeshare) and a bad one (segway).

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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post #58

I guess it's not news but it is pretty wild to see the level of millenarianism espoused by all of these guys. The board of OpenAI is supposedly going to "determine the fate of the world", robotics to be "completely solved" by 2020, the goal of OpenAI is to "avoid an AGI dictatorship". Is nobody in these very rich guys' spheres pushing back on their thought process? So far we are multiple years in with much investment…

I think an assumption that a lot of people make about people with power is that they say what they actually believe. In my experience, they do not. Public speech is a means to an end, and they will say whatever is the strongest possible argument that will lead them to what they actually want.

In this case, OpenAI wants look like they're going to save the world and do it in a noble way. It's Google's "don't be evil" all over again.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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post #217

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> For current standards of what intelligence means, we'd better hope we don't get ASI in the next decade or two, because if and when that happens then "humans need not apply" — and by extension, foundational assumptions of economics may just stop holding true. I'm not sure that we need superintelligence for that to be the case - it may depend on whether you include physical ability in the definition of intelligence.…

While I would certainly expect a radical change to economics even from a middling IQ AI — or indeed a low IQ, as I have previously used the example of IQ 85 because that's 15.9% of the population that would become permanently unable to be economically useful — I don't think it's quite as you say. Increasing IQ scores seem to allow increasingly difficult tasks to be performed competently — not just the same tasks fast…

I completely agree with everything that you're saying here - my use of the term "basically everyone" was lazy in that I'm implying that at the 110 IQ level the majority (approx 70%) of people are economically obsolete outside of niche areas (e.g. care/butler style work in which people desire the "human touch" for emotional reasons).

I think that far below the 70% level we've already broken economics. I can't see a society functioning in which most people actually _know_ that they can't break out of whatever box they're currently in - I think that things like UBI are a distraction in that they don't account for things like status jockeying that I think we're pretty hardwired to do.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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post #76

People change their minds all the time. What someone wanted in 2017 could be the same or different in 2024?

Sure, but the nuance is Elon only wants what benefits him most at the time. There was no philosophical change, other than now he’s competing. He's allowed these opinions, we’re allowed to ignore them and lawyers are allowed to use this against him.

> but the nuance is Elon only wants what benefits him most at the time.

Isn't that almost everyone? The people who left OpenAi could have joined forces but everyone went ahead and created their own company "for AGI"

It's like the wild west where everyone dreams of digging up gold.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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From Musk's email: "Frankly, what surprises me is that the AI community is taking this long to figure out concepts. It doesn’t sound super hard. High-level linking of a large number of deep nets sounds like the right approach or at least a key part of the right approach." Genuine question I've always had is, are these charlatans conscious of how full of shit they are, or are they really high on their own stuff? Also…

You should read what he says about software engineering. He's clearly clueless

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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post #58

I guess it's not news but it is pretty wild to see the level of millenarianism espoused by all of these guys. The board of OpenAI is supposedly going to "determine the fate of the world", robotics to be "completely solved" by 2020, the goal of OpenAI is to "avoid an AGI dictatorship". Is nobody in these very rich guys' spheres pushing back on their thought process? So far we are multiple years in with much investment…

> no obvious large-scale product-market fit

I mean, I know pessimistically "ackshually"-ing yourself into the wrong side of history is kind of Hackernews's thing (eg. that famous dropbox comment).

But if you don't think OpenAI found product-market-fit with ChatGPT, then I don't think you understand what product-market-fit is...

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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post #146

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The fact that owning Twitter was worth half a Mars colony to him should give you an idea of how seriously he's taking this whole thing. It's up there next to "Full Self Driving" and "$25,000 EV" in the Big Jar of Promises Used To Raise Capital and Nothing Else.

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> v13 is way better and safer than a great Uber driver, let alone average.

Will need to see a source for this.

Especially since NHTSA crash reporting data is not made public.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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post #34

Ignoring all the drama, this part is interesting: "On one call, Elon told us he didn’t care about equity personally but just needed to accumulate $80B for a city on Mars."

I will always love Kim Stanley Robinson but I dont care: please, Musk, go to Mars, you can have it.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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> OpenAI is the fastest growing startup by revenue, ever. No it's not. Facebook hit $2B in Revenue in late 2010 - early 2011, ~5 years after its founding. https://dazeinfo.com/2018/11/14/facebook-revenue-and-net-inc...

Finding one example of him being wrong still kinda supports his point, don't you think?

Coinbase was founded in 2013 and hit $1B in revenue in 2019 iirc
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