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Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by hermannj314 »

pc86 wrote: post #116
hermannj314 wrote: post #30

A few weeks ago my OpenAI credits expired and I was billed to replace them. I had no idea this was the business model, fine you got me with your auto-renew scam because you decided my tokens were spoiled. At some point, OpenAI became who they said they werent. You can't even get chatgpt to do anything fun anymore as the lawyers have hobbled its creative expression. And now they want to fight with Elon over what they…

Expiring tokens is a pretty standard business model. Are they lying and saying the tokens never expire?

Nope they aren't lying, but they lost me as a customer. My Arby's gift card lasted longer than my OpenAI credits, it's a horrible business model and I wish them luck, but I won't be a part of supporting bad models.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by elif »

__loam wrote: post #121
slibhb wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So far we are multiple years in with much investment and little return Modern (2024) LLMs are "little return"? Seriously? For me, they've mostly replaced Google. I have no idea how well the scaling will contiue and I'm generally unimpressed with AI-doomer narratives, but this technology is real.

They're not talking about your anecdotes, they're talking about the capex and returns. Which are overwhelmingly negative.

What do you think the capex returns were for DARPA NET?

These reflexive humanist anti-AI takes are going to age like peeled bananas.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by Barrin92 »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #89

Maybe a weird question, but how does a capitalist economy work where AGI-performed-labor is categorically less expensive than human-performed labor? Do most people who labor for wages just go unemployed, and then bankrupt, and then die?

By artificially recreating scarcity in virtual space and reproducing the same kind economic dynamic there, what Antonio Negri called 'symbolic production'. Think fashion brands, video game currency, IP, crypto, Clubhouse, effectively the world we're already in. There's an older essay by Zizek somewhere where he points out that this already has played out. Marx was convinced 'general intellect', what we know call the 'knowledge economy' would render traditional economics obsolete, but we just privatized knowledge and reimposed the same logic on top of it.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by arthurcolle »

pinewurst wrote: post #91
lsy wrote: post #58

I guess it's not news but it is pretty wild to see the level of millenarianism espoused by all of these guys. The board of OpenAI is supposedly going to "determine the fate of the world", robotics to be "completely solved" by 2020, the goal of OpenAI is to "avoid an AGI dictatorship". Is nobody in these very rich guys' spheres pushing back on their thought process? So far we are multiple years in with much investment…

Nobody seems to remember how the Segway was going to change our world, backed by many of the VC power figures at the time + Steve Jobs.

It reappeared as e-bikes and e-scooters - Lime, Bird, etc.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by angoragoats »

catigula wrote: post #88
ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been clear for a while now Elon has no one in his life that's willing to push back on his inane ideas

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Just wanted to point out for the record that the person you're replying to said "inane," not "insane." Might not have changed your reply all that much though.

IMO SpaceX is not an inane idea, though it's arguably insane from the perspective of the era when it was founded (2002-ish), but it definitely seems to have succeeded. Tesla might be in the same bucket. But everything else he's been involved with has either been a non-starter or turned to trash (see: Boring Company, Twitter, xAI, whatever the hell the flamethrower thing was, etc). My sense is that he's getting worse over time, as mental illness, delusions of grandeur, and/or yes-men he's been surrounding himself with increasingly cloud his judgement.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by elif »

talldayo wrote: post #62
pram wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Measured another way, just a bit under 2 Twitters.

The fact that owning Twitter was worth half a Mars colony to him should give you an idea of how seriously he's taking this whole thing. It's up there next to "Full Self Driving" and "$25,000 EV" in the Big Jar of Promises Used To Raise Capital and Nothing Else.

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Post by kelseyfrog »

slibhb wrote: post #131
kelseyfrog wrote: post #89

Maybe a weird question, but how does a capitalist economy work where AGI-performed-labor is categorically less expensive than human-performed labor? Do most people who labor for wages just go unemployed, and then bankrupt, and then die?

The question shows a total disconnect from reality. People who are unemployed with no money today don't die. Even street people don't die. If AGI labor is cheaper and as effective as human labor, prices will drop to the point where the necessities cost very little. People will be able to support themselves working part-time jobs on whatever hasn't been automated. The tax system will become more redistributive and may…

Until now, I didn't think that poverty impacting mortality was a controversial statement. Poverty is the fourth greatest cause of US deaths[1].

Why would I hire a part time worker when I could hire an AI for cheaper? When I said categorically, I meant it.

1. https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-04-poverty-fourth-greate...

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by boringg »

retinaros wrote: post #78
factorialboy wrote: post #25

For-profit isn't the problem. Lying about being non-profit to raise funds, and _then_ become for-profit, that's the underlying concern.

yes but its easy to hate musk thinking u siding with the good guys...

theres no good guys at the executive level of the AI world - its money and power dressed in saving humanity language.
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