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Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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That same space company said that they'd do point to point commercial travel using rockets. As for significantly outperforming: Ask NASA, price per launch has gone UP not DOWN. What's the point of reusability if it doesn't affect the bottom line in a positive way?

Gonna need a source on that one.

As much as I despise Elon Musk, the cost per kg to LEO has gone down a lot in recent years thanks to spacex.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Scrutiny: noun critical observation or examination

He'll be under scrutiny, just not by anyone with any power whatsoever to stop or even meaningfully influence his behaviors.

Well Congress could meaningfully influence behaviors, but it seems very unlikely unless something drastic happens.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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That same space company said that they'd do point to point commercial travel using rockets. As for significantly outperforming: Ask NASA, price per launch has gone UP not DOWN. What's the point of reusability if it doesn't affect the bottom line in a positive way?

> The development of commercial launch systems has substantially reduced the cost of space launch. NASA’s space shuttle had a cost of about $1.5 billion to launch 27,500 kg to Low Earth Orbit (LEO), $54,500/kg. SpaceX’s Falcon 9 now advertises a cost of $62 million to launch 22,800 kg to LEO, $2,720/kg.

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20200001093

Why do you lie?

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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I guess it's not news but it is pretty wild to see the level of millenarianism espoused by all of these guys. The board of OpenAI is supposedly going to "determine the fate of the world", robotics to be "completely solved" by 2020, the goal of OpenAI is to "avoid an AGI dictatorship". Is nobody in these very rich guys' spheres pushing back on their thought process? So far we are multiple years in with much investment…

I tried Claude. If hardware continues it's evolution of speed in the next 10 years I can have Claude but local + running constantly and yeah that would change certain things fundamentaly

Try llama 3.3 70B. On groq or something. Runs on a 64GB macbook (4bit quantized, which seems to not impact quality much). Things have come a long way. Compare to llama 2 70b. It's wild

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Scrutiny: noun critical observation or examination

He'll be under scrutiny, just not by anyone with any power whatsoever to stop or even meaningfully influence his behaviors.

Scrutiny without the ability to exert oversight, control or any modicum of restraint is... utterly useless to everyone except the historians.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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A few weeks ago my OpenAI credits expired and I was billed to replace them. I had no idea this was the business model, fine you got me with your auto-renew scam because you decided my tokens were spoiled. At some point, OpenAI became who they said they werent. You can't even get chatgpt to do anything fun anymore as the lawyers have hobbled its creative expression. And now they want to fight with Elon over what they…

Expiring tokens is a pretty standard business model. Are they lying and saying the tokens never expire?

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Maybe a weird question, but how does a capitalist economy work where AGI-performed-labor is categorically less expensive than human-performed labor? Do most people who labor for wages just go unemployed, and then bankrupt, and then die?

No one has a strong answer for this. This question was the origin of a lot of universal basic income chatter and research beginning in maybe 2014. The idea being, whoever creates superintelligence will capture substantively all future profits. If a non-profit (or capped profit) company does it, they could fund UBI for society. But the research into UBI have not been very decisive. Do people flourish or flounder when receiving UBI? And what does that, in aggregate, do to a society? We still don't really know. Oh and also, OAI is no longer a non-profit and has eliminated the profit cap.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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I guess it's not news but it is pretty wild to see the level of millenarianism espoused by all of these guys. The board of OpenAI is supposedly going to "determine the fate of the world", robotics to be "completely solved" by 2020, the goal of OpenAI is to "avoid an AGI dictatorship". Is nobody in these very rich guys' spheres pushing back on their thought process? So far we are multiple years in with much investment…

Nobody seems to remember how the Segway was going to change our world, backed by many of the VC power figures at the time + Steve Jobs.

I think we all remember, and if we forget, we're reminded every time we see them at airports or doing city tours.
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