Is it even possible for Sam Altman to stop being dishonest? This isn't a method to redress concerns, it's a smear that has nothing to do with the lawsuit.
Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit
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Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit
#62Ignoring all the drama, this part is interesting: "On one call, Elon told us he didn’t care about equity personally but just needed to accumulate $80B for a city on Mars."
Measured another way, just a bit under 2 Twitters.
The fact that owning Twitter was worth half a Mars colony to him should give you an idea of how seriously he's taking this whole thing. It's up there next to "Full Self Driving" and "$25,000 EV" in the Big Jar of Promises Used To Raise Capital and Nothing Else.
Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit
#63Yes ... and? The part that raises eyebrows is how a non-profit suddenly become a for-profit, from a legal standpoint.
He is suing to try to stop them becoming a for-profit. This post is showing that he originally supported the idea.
>This post is showing that he originally supported the idea.
Yes ... and?
That still wouldn't make it legal. The lawsuit will be decided based on jurisprudence, not based on "what Elon thinks is right".
This is a very amateurish move, tbh. Did they hire Matt Mullenweg's legal team?
Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit
#64Is this one of the 12 days of OpenAI?
Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit
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One of these days if AGI ever does actually come about, we might very well have to go to war with them. There might be a day where billionaires employ zero humans and themselves merge with the AGI in a way that makes them not quite human any more. The amount of data being collected about everyone and what machine learning can already do with it is frightening. I'm afraid the reaction to AI when it actually becomes a…
> One of these days if AGI ever does actually come about, we might very well have to go to war with them.
They arguably already exist in the form of very large corporations. Their lingering dependency on low-level human logic units is an implementation detail.
Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe Elon is doing both, competing in the marketplace and in the courtroom. And in advising the president to regulate non-profit AI .
Agree, he is doing both. But if he's competing in the marketplace, it seems pretty off base for Open AI to tell him he should be competing in the marketplace. So I think my criticism stands.
I don’t think their suggestion ever implies that he isn’t.
Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
> biggest GPU compute cluster in the world right now Really? I'm really surprised by that. I thought Meta was the one who got the jump on everyone by hoarding H100s. Or did you mean strictly GPUs and not any of the AI specific chips?
Good point, I don't know if it's strictly GPUs or also includes some other AI specific chips. Nvidia wrote about it: https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/spectrum-x-ethernet-netwo...
oh wow. I think your original assertion is correct. Wow. What a crazy arms race.
Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit
#68For-profit isn't the problem. Lying about being non-profit to raise funds, and _then_ become for-profit, that's the underlying concern.
That should be top comment on all OpenAI threads.
Just like “open source and forever free” - until of course it starts to make sense charging money.
Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit
#69I guess it's not news but it is pretty wild to see the level of millenarianism espoused by all of these guys. The board of OpenAI is supposedly going to "determine the fate of the world", robotics to be "completely solved" by 2020, the goal of OpenAI is to "avoid an AGI dictatorship". Is nobody in these very rich guys' spheres pushing back on their thought process? So far we are multiple years in with much investment…
If you push back on them, you get pushed out. If you suck up to them and their delusional belief systems, you might get paid. It's a very self-selecting, self-reinforcing process.
In other words, it's also an affective death spiral.
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> Neither of you have anything even _approaching_ AGI.
There are so many conflicting definitions of what "AGI" means. Not even OpenAI or Microsoft even knows what it means.
"AGI" is a scam.