They should do a study where they do fake maids (like catching a jumper) and then seeing if they regret living another month.
Are you calling for nonconsensual human experiments that will (depending on the outcome) either inflict grave emotional injury onto people who are already so badly injured that they want to die, or that'll be used as a justification for stripping people of their bodily autonomy?
Yes, like catching people with nets who jump off bridges (and a vast majority are thankful of it).
This is like trusting people to behave while owning guns. Curse of knowledge writ large.
It's a demonstration that the system currently in place has verification checks. No one was killed against their will here. There's a legitimate debate to be had on the question of whether it was even wrong to alert an injured veteren that MAID was an option given they had the free will and the gumption to reply No way, Feck off, Not interested . The onus here should be on secondary interviews sorting out whether a p…
There have been people killed against their will at the time because they previously signed something to ignore their future self.
> It is hard to understand that you would consider it your right to override such a core component of human autonomy (the choice to continue living) because they owe you/society something. I'm curious why you consider individualism to be the default state that should be assumed, while my very broad statement that there is some level of social responsibility that overrules individual autonomy at some point (where that…
I don't think you're off base by saying that people have a level of social responsibility to the people they live around. I think that can be argued perfectly logically. What I'm not sure I agree with is that it translates to a responsibility to stay . Isn't someone who emigrates permanently away from their local community breaking the same social contract as someone who chooses medically assisted dying? Should that…
If there exists a social responsibility then there exists a responsibility to stay. Emigration could very well be abdicating social responsibility, but not irrevocably so, and in the modern world much of your responsibility to those you left behind is still fillable even after emigrating. Dying is irrevocable and puts you entirely out of reach.
100% you articulated exactly what I couldn't - thank you. It feels very wrong to be considering this in the UK when we are on the decline. Espcially since the current government have demonstrated that they don't really care about pensioners.
OTOH, it's interesting that you and the parent comment are basically saying "We, as a country, are failing our pensioners so badly that death has become the more appealing option for many of them. Therefore, we must trap them here with us until we improve the conditions that lead to them making that bargain (which we will never do)" Taking away someone's right to assisted dying because you live in a society that has…
I am eluding perverse incentives by the government to employ such a scheme. I am sure if they use pure logic and numbers it makes sense to roll this out, especially at time like this. It would indeed help the balance the books and get rid of that pesky voter base who typically vote right.
The decision to offer assisted dying needs to be based on compassion and logic, not on logic alone.
It's a demonstration that the system currently in place has verification checks. No one was killed against their will here. There's a legitimate debate to be had on the question of whether it was even wrong to alert an injured veteren that MAID was an option given they had the free will and the gumption to reply No way, Feck off, Not interested . The onus here should be on secondary interviews sorting out whether a p…
There have been people killed against their will at the time because they previously signed something to ignore their future self.
Why do you view it as disgusting? I have a great fear of sullying my good name and burdening my family before I get out of here
I have a family member who would be a straightforward candidate for this if they were in canada. I do not consider them a burden, nor are they "sullying their good name" by continuing to exist. It does disgust me the way you and others here speak of the possibility of becoming like them. They still find life worth living and the world is better with them in it.
You must not have dementia in your family then -- Take that as a blessing
Grandma doesn’t want to share those stories because it hurts to talk and she can’t see well and just generally she’s in a constant bad mood because her life sucks.
That would be the fault of those who are responsible for her happiness
Ok. Even if we hold that ridiculous assumption true… so what? Let’s say grandma is explicitly suffering because others are failing her?
Your proposed thesis still suggests she does not have justification for choosing death. What does she still owe us.
B.s. parent literally gave an example of someone that got access to MAID a week after their doc visit. I’ve changed my mind on things after a month. Not saying MAID is bad or should be banned. I’m saying people will 100 percent abuse the system. My concern is healthcare system practiioners. I am dealing with a ton of people whose job it is to press our family into a decision we don’t want to make. This includes an md…
What’s another dignified option when it reaches terminal?
Accepting suffering as part of the human condition. In the Christian faith, Christians are taught that suffering is part of life and good things can result from it. Like what? Empathy, love, and compassion from caregivers, friends, and family to the suffering person. Also, the suffering person may express love to those around them. Jesus allowed himself to be crucified and suffered one of the most horrible deaths imaginable. He did it as an act of love for humanity. A Christian might argue that it was also to serve as an example of enduring suffering.
I have a family member who would be a straightforward candidate for this if they were in canada. I do not consider them a burden, nor are they "sullying their good name" by continuing to exist. It does disgust me the way you and others here speak of the possibility of becoming like them. They still find life worth living and the world is better with them in it.
You must not have dementia in your family then -- Take that as a blessing
Simply false, I have cared for a family member with dementia. What I remember most is their fear, fear that they were dying, fear that I was there to hurt them. I could honestly reassure them that I was not, and I wouldn't give that up for anything.
It's presumption and rude of you to make these assumptions about my experiences, please stop.