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Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

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Re: Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

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Post by wucaworld »

DanHulton wrote: post #643
llamaLord wrote: post #574

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These are all excellent examples of how MAID should be used, I think the concerning thing is the widening of the eligibility criteria - especially when things like mental illness start to make you eligible. Like... If your illness makes you suicidal... Is offering assisted suicide REALLY the best we can do? That starts to feel a lot like "eghh you're too hard for society to care about... We'll just let you die". As h…

If you are sufficiently mentally ill and determined enough to die that you get through the MAID screening, counselling, information sessions, etc, then you are determined enough to die by other, messier, likely more painful, certainly more traumatizing to the people around you methods. As well, mental illness is not just a state of mind. Sure, there are stories where a failed suicide attempt was the catalyst for some…

B.s. parent literally gave an example of someone that got access to MAID a week after their doc visit. I’ve changed my mind on things after a month. Not saying MAID is bad or should be banned. I’m saying people will 100 percent abuse the system. My concern is healthcare system practiioners. I am dealing with a ton of people whose job it is to press our family into a decision we don’t want to make. This includes an md, a social worker and a care coordinator. Canadas health care for old people and folks with dementia is a disgrace. Maid should not have to be the only option with dignity.

Re: Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

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Post by areoform »

itake wrote: post #673
addicted wrote: post #665

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I don’t follow. How does this apply to capital punishment?

Many people are opposed to capital punishment due to the small minority of innocent folks it eliminates. > By steering the discussion to that [innocent] minority, which even itself is still debatable, you risk flushing the child with the bath water [and killing the really bad criminals].

There's a difference. The people with MAID choose to die.

When innocent people are killed via capital punishment, they have no choice.

And it's not a "small minority" either. We don't have good numbers, but it's significant enough to be over 22% or roughly 1 in 5. That's not a small minority.

For Florida, since 1973, 30 people awaiting execution have been exonerated so far. The state has executed 106 people.

Out of 136 cases, 30 were shown to be innocent beyond any reasonable doubt. I have no doubt that there might be other innocent people within the 106 that were executed.

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/innocence/innocen...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_executed_in_Flo...

Re: Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

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Post by gambiting »

fdgjgbdfhgb wrote: post #447
gambiting wrote: post #343

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Well that entire dogma is giving us monsters like Mother Theresa who thought that by letting people in her care suffer she made it more likely they will make it to heaven - and well, the Catholic Church has agreed with that interpretation and made her a Saint. This was touched upon in a game called Indika released this year......there's a story there how a guy ended the suffering of his young child who was in constan…

The "Mother Theresa withheld painkillers" thing is a myth [1] [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/gcxpr5/saint_mo...

Thank you for sharing this. I will stop saying this about Mother Theresa now, it was very informative.

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Post by karencarits »

mattmaroon wrote: post #642
int_19h wrote: post #532

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Most of these aren't sensible.

They really aren’t, I can’t believe someone here would link that.

While I disagree with some of them and find some more important than others, I think that the lists cover most of the arguments and positions mentioned by people here on HN

Re: Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

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Post by Olreich »

wucaworld wrote: post #741
DanHulton wrote: post #643

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If you are sufficiently mentally ill and determined enough to die that you get through the MAID screening, counselling, information sessions, etc, then you are determined enough to die by other, messier, likely more painful, certainly more traumatizing to the people around you methods. As well, mental illness is not just a state of mind. Sure, there are stories where a failed suicide attempt was the catalyst for some…

B.s. parent literally gave an example of someone that got access to MAID a week after their doc visit. I’ve changed my mind on things after a month. Not saying MAID is bad or should be banned. I’m saying people will 100 percent abuse the system. My concern is healthcare system practiioners. I am dealing with a ton of people whose job it is to press our family into a decision we don’t want to make. This includes an md…

What’s another dignified option when it reaches terminal?

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Post by muhis »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #649
standardUser wrote: post #497

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> So the hospital withheld IV hydration and provided a morphine drip and he was gone in 36 hours. I watched loved ones die this way. It's cruel, absurd and grotesque. A doctor will look you dead in the eye and say "your loved one will be dead within a few days" and instead of killing them mercifully you are forced to watch them die of dehydration. A maddening and indefensible relic that I believe younger generations…

My BIL is a head hospice nurse. If it helps, they don’t ever deny people fluids who want or need them. What happens towards the end is the body stops being able to process fluids due to failing organs. Pushing fluids into someone in this state makes them less comfortable. People aren’t thirsty or suffering from a lack of fluids. As far as putting someone out of their misery, there’s a reason that they put them on hig…

Thank you for this comment. I have also worked a bit with hospice. Unfortunately, there is a lot of misinformation regarding this issue. I find it sad that some are left with the incorrect notion that their loved ones were denied care at their last moment. I.v. fluids may somewhat alleviate sedation of a dying person, but they can increase swelling, formation of pleural fluids and cause shortness of breath. If a dying person won’t drink anything anymore, it’s mostly a sign that they don’t need any extra fluids.

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Post by utopicwork »

moribvndvs wrote: post #87
utopicwork wrote: post #78

"But what if someone wants to kill themselves its against their rights for them to be restricted from doing so" We dont need to make it easier for people to kill themselves we need it to be easier to live a fulfilling life so they don't want to

From the article: > Nearly all of those who requested assisted dying - around 96% - had a foreseeable natural death. The remaining 4% were granted euthanasia due to having a long-term chronic illness and where a natural death was not imminent. The average age of those seeking assisted dying was around 77 years old, with cancer being the most frequent underlying medical condition. It’s ridiculous to jump to a conclusi…

Im not jumping to conclusions. The state wants disabled people dead instead of helping us. "Natural death" does a lot of heavy lifting for healthcare systems that kill us by a million papercuts

Re: Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

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Post by utopicwork »

deepburner wrote: post #80
utopicwork wrote: post #78

"But what if someone wants to kill themselves its against their rights for them to be restricted from doing so" We dont need to make it easier for people to kill themselves we need it to be easier to live a fulfilling life so they don't want to

Good luck helping somebody paralyzed from the neck down live a fulfilling life.

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Re: Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

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Post by dns_snek »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #666
TexanFeller wrote: post #622

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Suicide is the ultimate “my body, my choice” issue, even more than abortion is. It’s monstrous to force someone with severe mental health problems to live if they don’t want to. I live an incredible life now that people envy, but I’ve had been through torturous mental health problems in the past. If I knew I had to face a year or two of my dark times again and I’d have 50 more years of my great life afterward I’m not…

They should do a study where they do fake maids (like catching a jumper) and then seeing if they regret living another month.

Are you calling for nonconsensual human experiments that will (depending on the outcome) either inflict grave emotional injury onto people who are already so badly injured that they want to die, or that'll be used as a justification for stripping people of their bodily autonomy?
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