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Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Post by sbrother »

com2kid wrote: post #21
HatchedLake721 wrote: post #2

Surface Studio introduction from 2017, still looks amazing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-VvFlwsWic

I remember how proud I felt to work at Microsoft when that video was unveiled. The company had made something so beautiful, and then done an amazing job showing it to the world. An amazing marketing video in every way that counts, except apparently in regards to sales!

I bought one! It was a breathtaking piece of hardware that I wanted so badly to be useful. Unfortunately my work can't be done in Windows and it wasn't powerful enough to virtualize everything (the slow HDD was the worst) and I ended up selling it. But wow, what a form factor and gorgeous screen.

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Post by f4stjack »

neya wrote: post #10

Microsoft's problem has never been their hardware. You can argue their Surface and Surface pro line up is far far a better feat of engineering (stuffing a full blown desktop grade processor into a mobile tablet) than any iPad Pro. However, their achilles heel has always been their software. Though Windows has improved a lot over the years, its shitty data collection and privacy practices and changing around of UI ele…

With W11, they seem to really gung-ho about creating that achilles heel. As for myself I am tired from having an unstable OS on my devices which may or may not bork without any intervention from me.

Thanks to this (and Steam Deck for a great deal) I jumped to Mac and not regretting it. The system boots in seconds, has great eyecandy and just works for me. My work pc uses Windows and its taskbar behaves weirdly, right now, and its quarter shows the desktop image. Update breaks the soundcard and I will need to install it again. Oh and I see another update queued in - which may or may not be a false alarm.

I am not sure which was the most stable one, Windows 7 or 10. But 11 is a mess and nobody dares to admit it because sunk-cost fallacy and with the invention of recall it will act as a data collection agency for AI - as far as I followed the discussion.

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Post by buzzerbetrayed »

neya wrote: post #10

Microsoft's problem has never been their hardware. You can argue their Surface and Surface pro line up is far far a better feat of engineering (stuffing a full blown desktop grade processor into a mobile tablet) than any iPad Pro. However, their achilles heel has always been their software. Though Windows has improved a lot over the years, its shitty data collection and privacy practices and changing around of UI ele…

How does an iPad Pro not have a “desktop grade processor”? It literally has the processor that Apple puts in their desktops.

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Post by bmitc »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #22
bmitc wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I believe that this is a much more subjective thing than it’s often presented as. macOS is where all of my work gets done. I can make Linux work if I have to with enough beating and banging (not the smoothest process), but I would go mad if I had to be productive under Windows. It’s why on my machines Windows is relegated purely to game duty.

I have used and use all three. I find Windows, despite annoyances and annoying trends particularly with their "Apple-fication" of the Control Panel, still to get out of the way the most. macOS can't even adjust volume or brightness of non-Apple monitors, which is an intentional move by Apple. macOS is absolutely full of arbitrary limitations and hidden things. Windows is much better for hardware interaction.

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Post by philwelch »

sleepybrett wrote: post #28
philwelch wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can argue their Surface and Surface pro line up is far far a better feat of engineering (stuffing a full blown desktop grade processor into a mobile tablet) than any iPad Pro. Can you clarify this point? iPad Pro has an M4 processor, just like Mac desktops do.

imo ipad is held back by it's OS. Until they make significant changes it's a one app at a time box to keep you kid busy w/ movies or roblox. The multi app features they have added feel like a straight jacket. I'd like an option for a real pro ipad running macos instead of ios.

Sure, but that’s beside the point; I’m addressing the “full blown desktop processor” claim.

If you want a macOS device that runs the same M4 processor that’s in an iPad Pro, it looks like your options include virtually every macOS device.

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Post by forrestthewoods »

sleepybrett wrote: post #27
gamblor956 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hundreds of millions of people manage to be productive on Windows.

do they really, or is windows just what they use to launch excel? I don't know a single software developer that prefers windows anymore.

Hi, I’m a software developer that prefers Windows.

I make video games. Most video game devs used Windows. Most video games are played on Windows. In a great twist of irony a majority of gaming hours spent on Linux now do so through SteamOS and is doing so by emulating Windows! (Well, close enough).

Developing on Linux sucks and is bad. There’s no good debugger. glibc is a nightmare of bad design. Linux package management is bad. Linux is fine if by programming you actually mean devops though I guess.

macOS is kinda sorta ok. But might as well use Windows at that point. Apple Silicon is stupid sexy though. Definitely wish Windows ran on that.

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Post by SideQuark »

sleepybrett wrote: post #27
gamblor956 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hundreds of millions of people manage to be productive on Windows.

do they really, or is windows just what they use to launch excel? I don't know a single software developer that prefers windows anymore.

I know plenty, devs all over the spectrum. And the data back it up. https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2024/technology/

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Post by fastily »

forrestthewoods wrote: post #37
sleepybrett wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

do they really, or is windows just what they use to launch excel? I don't know a single software developer that prefers windows anymore.

Hi, I’m a software developer that prefers Windows. I make video games. Most video game devs used Windows. Most video games are played on Windows. In a great twist of irony a majority of gaming hours spent on Linux now do so through SteamOS and is doing so by emulating Windows! (Well, close enough). Developing on Linux sucks and is bad. There’s no good debugger. glibc is a nightmare of bad design. Linux package manage…

Doesn’t this depend on the game engine you use? I’m not a professional video game dev but I’ve dabbled with Godot on non-windows OSes and didn’t find it to be a terrible experience

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

bmitc wrote: post #35
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe that this is a much more subjective thing than it’s often presented as. macOS is where all of my work gets done. I can make Linux work if I have to with enough beating and banging (not the smoothest process), but I would go mad if I had to be productive under Windows. It’s why on my machines Windows is relegated purely to game duty.

I have used and use all three. I find Windows, despite annoyances and annoying trends particularly with their "Apple-fication" of the Control Panel, still to get out of the way the most. macOS can't even adjust volume or brightness of non-Apple monitors, which is an intentional move by Apple. macOS is absolutely full of arbitrary limitations and hidden things. Windows is much better for hardware interaction.

To me things like third party monitor control are easily fixed[0] papercuts compared to things like the inadequacies in Windows’ virtual desktop implementation (e.g. can’t switch desktops independently per monitor).

[0]: https://github.com/MonitorControl/MonitorControl

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