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Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Microsoft has terrible pen technology for artists, still jittery slow lines years after it hurt the first Studio and other surface products.

This is sad consider they have been doing research on this for 15 years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvQCPLkPt4

Indicating that they could make it amazing if they wanted to, they just don't want to. Likely due to cost.

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Unfortunate that Microsoft never did much with this, because it’s a cool concept.

That said, one could probably produce something to a pretty similar effect with an external pen display (like Xencelabs 24"), VESA arm, and an M4 Mac mini, and it’d be more powerful, upgradable, flexible, and maybe even cheaper to boot.

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is sad consider they have been doing research on this for 15 years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvQCPLkPt4

Indicating that they could make it amazing if they wanted to, they just don't want to. Likely due to cost.

They organized their entire product line around premium artist products for the adobe cloud type spending professionals and it just doesn't work for them. It was a crazy strategy. They're still putting out new surfaces that have the same fundamental problem and burning their brand. They came out before Apple Pencil and made almost no improvement to it since then. Even the old windows ink laptops from the early 2000s had better stylus support (Wacom).

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Unfortunate that Microsoft never did much with this, because it’s a cool concept. That said, one could probably produce something to a pretty similar effect with an external pen display (like Xencelabs 24"), VESA arm, and an M4 Mac mini, and it’d be more powerful, upgradable, flexible, and maybe even cheaper to boot.

> That said, one could probably produce something to a pretty similar effect with an external pen display (like Xencelabs 24"), VESA arm, and an M4 Mac mini, and it’d be more powerful, upgradable, flexible, and maybe even cheaper to boot.

Sure! What's the number to get this working?

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Microsoft's problem has never been their hardware. You can argue their Surface and Surface pro line up is far far a better feat of engineering (stuffing a full blown desktop grade processor into a mobile tablet) than any iPad Pro. However, their achilles heel has always been their software. Though Windows has improved a lot over the years, its shitty data collection and privacy practices and changing around of UI ele…

That desktop grade processor is probably basically a pup compared to a modern Apple silicon processor. M4 / similar vs some poor Intel chip throttling at 2GHz?

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Microsoft's problem has never been their hardware. You can argue their Surface and Surface pro line up is far far a better feat of engineering (stuffing a full blown desktop grade processor into a mobile tablet) than any iPad Pro. However, their achilles heel has always been their software. Though Windows has improved a lot over the years, its shitty data collection and privacy practices and changing around of UI ele…

> You can argue their Surface and Surface pro line up is far far a better feat of engineering (stuffing a full blown desktop grade processor into a mobile tablet) than any iPad Pro.

Can you clarify this point? iPad Pro has an M4 processor, just like Mac desktops do.

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Unfortunate that Microsoft never did much with this, because it’s a cool concept. That said, one could probably produce something to a pretty similar effect with an external pen display (like Xencelabs 24"), VESA arm, and an M4 Mac mini, and it’d be more powerful, upgradable, flexible, and maybe even cheaper to boot.

Haha, remember some time ago many people were like

  > Are you crazy, don't buy an iPod, just get an iRiver and use your imagination!
  > Use Gnome instead of OSX, it's *exactly* the same experience
  > "Mom, can we buy an iPad?" - We have an iPad at home (iPad at home is a Toshiba Handybook running Windows 98)
How the turntables...

Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Microsoft's problem has never been their hardware. You can argue their Surface and Surface pro line up is far far a better feat of engineering (stuffing a full blown desktop grade processor into a mobile tablet) than any iPad Pro. However, their achilles heel has always been their software. Though Windows has improved a lot over the years, its shitty data collection and privacy practices and changing around of UI ele…

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Re: Microsoft Discontinues iMac Rival Surface Studio 2

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Unfortunate that Microsoft never did much with this, because it’s a cool concept. That said, one could probably produce something to a pretty similar effect with an external pen display (like Xencelabs 24"), VESA arm, and an M4 Mac mini, and it’d be more powerful, upgradable, flexible, and maybe even cheaper to boot.

> That said, one could probably produce something to a pretty similar effect with an external pen display (like Xencelabs 24"), VESA arm, and an M4 Mac mini, and it’d be more powerful, upgradable, flexible, and maybe even cheaper to boot. Sure! What's the number to get this working?

You mean the price? Minimum spec Mini and a Xencelabs Pen Display 24” (which comes with a VESA mounted pivot stand) gets you reasonably close and would cost $2500, where the Surface Studio 2 (as per the article) started at $3k. Screen size is a little less (24” vs 28”), but digitizer quality is better (on par with Wacom) as is pixel density. Setting it up is just plugging the display into the Mini with USB-C.
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