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Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

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Post by MegaDeKay »

llamaLord wrote: post #574
pj_mukh wrote: post #278

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My dad (age 75) got diagnosed with ALS and within a month of the diagnosis opted for MAID. He had only just lost control of one leg, but he knew what was coming. As much as we begged him for more time, he didn't want any of it. Till his dying breath he kept repeating how thankful he was that he lived in a country that didn't force him to live on when he didn't want to. He was a clear Track 1 case, and I realize Track…

These are all excellent examples of how MAID should be used, I think the concerning thing is the widening of the eligibility criteria - especially when things like mental illness start to make you eligible. Like... If your illness makes you suicidal... Is offering assisted suicide REALLY the best we can do? That starts to feel a lot like "eghh you're too hard for society to care about... We'll just let you die". As h…

"Some provisions are in place, including a requirement of having two independent healthcare providers confirm that the patient is eligible before their request is approved."

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Post by prisonality »

wsc981 wrote: post #444
Yeul wrote: post #329

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> In Christianity life is about suffering. You're basically earning heaven points. But when you no longer live for god but only for yourself there is no reason to suffer. I'm not sure that is true. And even if it would be true for Christianity, I'd guess the same could be said for Buddihsm [0]. Buddhism monks in particular seem to be a miserable lot, as they (try to?) never smile ... at least on photos as shown in te…

> I'd guess the same could be said for Buddihsm

From your link, Suffering in Buddhism is prescribed as the First Noble Truth:

> Now this, bhikkhus, is the noble truth of suffering:

> birth is suffering, aging is suffering, illness is suffering, death is suffering;

> union with what is displeasing is suffering;

> separation from what is pleasing is suffering;

> not to get what one wants is suffering;

> in brief, the five aggregates subject to clinging are suffering.

Which part of it is true that "life is about suffering" ?

As for Buddhist monk, you could try looking up Ajahn Brahm - that might offer a different perspective.

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Post by defrost »

pkkkzip wrote: post #603

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The truth, at least according to official Canadian statistics, is that recent immigrants from { India, Philippines, China, Nigeria, Pakistan, Syria } were all more likely to file income tax returns and contribute back to the Canadian economy than immigrants from either the United Kingdom or the United States.

Would the UK or the US be the "specific country" that 'your' Canadian readers should already know?

~ https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/36-28-0001/2023011/artic...

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defrost wrote: post #613
pkkkzip wrote: post #603

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The truth, at least according to official Canadian statistics, is that recent immigrants from { India, Philippines, China, Nigeria, Pakistan, Syria } were all more likely to file income tax returns and contribute back to the Canadian economy than immigrants from either the United Kingdom or the United States. Would the UK or the US be the "specific country" that 'your' Canadian readers should already know? ~ https://…

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defrost wrote: post #613
pkkkzip wrote: post #603

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The truth, at least according to official Canadian statistics, is that recent immigrants from { India, Philippines, China, Nigeria, Pakistan, Syria } were all more likely to file income tax returns and contribute back to the Canadian economy than immigrants from either the United Kingdom or the United States. Would the UK or the US be the "specific country" that 'your' Canadian readers should already know? ~ https://…

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Post by SoftTalker »

lupire wrote: post #505
eastbound wrote: post #412

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The problem I have with MAiD is I’m not sure the subject really decided it. Forged signatures do exist (a lot) and you’re only a socialist state away from trying to save on public health expenditures by incinerating unwilling patients after pretending their agreement. Without much trace than two witnesses who say “He said it”. Not like it already happened for handicapped people in Germany. I’m quite sure it already h…

On the flip side, you're only a capitalist state away from propping up a tortured husk and milking all its family assets before tossing it to rot.

Oh we’re already doing that. Retirement communities, assisted living, nursing homes, they are all about that.

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Post by LorenPechtel »

eastbound wrote: post #412
tokioyoyo wrote: post #363

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I live in the neighbourhood in Canada with a lot of elder people. I mentioned in one of my previous comments as well, and MAiD is probably one of the best things that happened in our country in the past decade. I have distant relatives who took the MAiD way out (one because of the age, the other one terminal illness). It's not very uncommon to hear once every quarter in the coffee shop in my neighbourhood people chat…

The problem I have with MAiD is I’m not sure the subject really decided it. Forged signatures do exist (a lot) and you’re only a socialist state away from trying to save on public health expenditures by incinerating unwilling patients after pretending their agreement. Without much trace than two witnesses who say “He said it”. Not like it already happened for handicapped people in Germany. I’m quite sure it already h…

Incentive to commit it?? How??

It's not complex, most of it is actually covered even in paramedic training. It's just that instead of sticking the ventilator tube in they inject some potassium chloride. Last month Costco was selling it for about 50 cents a pound. (Potassium salt for water softeners.)

The main cost will be the evaluation, not the procedure.

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Post by d_tr »

bongodongobob wrote: post #341
hattmall wrote: post #298

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The issue is that every OB/GYN has seen patients that regret the decision. And for most they will have seen instances where that regret ultimately led to suicide. Do you really want to be the doctor that didn't press for more consideration for a patient that ultimately takes their own life? I get the idea of giving women control but as a doctor it's also their right to refuse a procedure to not bear that burden. It's…

You can't regret dying. Let people do what they want.

Doctors are humans too though and you can't just ask them to gas and mutilate perfectly healthy people so easily. Not what they signed up for.

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Post by LorenPechtel »

darth_avocado wrote: post #153
guyzero wrote: post #142

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He had apparently expressed his intention before she passed. I do not know all the details and this is second hand, but he apparently had a plan.

I would’ve expected at least a waiting period longer than a week after a traumatic event. Of course I don’t know all the circumstances around it.

IIRC they do have a waiting period longer than a week.

But they do permit contingencies. I would assume he went through the application process before she died.

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Post by LorenPechtel »

jacobgkau wrote: post #567
neom wrote: post #404

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You can't access MAID in Canada any faster than 90 days unless you are at immediate risk of losing your faculties such that you couldn't make the choice. You need multiple specialists to assess you and sign off on it etc.

Really? Then how did the man in guyzero's anecdote do it in less than a week?

Why do you assume he did? Specifically, why do you assume he started it in response to his wife's death rather than completed it in response to his wife's death?
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