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Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'state of emergency'

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Re: Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'state of emergency'

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Post by j_timberlake »

gregw2 wrote: post #582
j_timberlake wrote: post #501

Quick summary after following this for a few days: FBI says they're rotary and fixed-wing drones, White House says they aren't foreign adversaries, Pentagon says they aren't USA military, all 3 insist that there's no indication of a real threat despite the drones being bigger and higher tech than retail drones. Politicians are PO'd that something about this doesn't add up: How can anyone know these aren't a threat wi…

"How can anyone know these aren't a threat without knowing whose they are?" Easy. They didn't say they don't know whose they are. They could belong to a private contractor who is paid by the military but the military doesn't own the drones nor company (plausible deniability /outsourcing.) Or they could be a friendly country (e.g. UK) red-teaming the US with our consent. I've never heard anyone apply the Five Eyes hor…

"They didn't say they don't know whose they are."

The FBI explicitly said they didn't 2 days ago. There's a possibility the FBI is being purposefully left in the dark by other feds, or lying under oath at risk of prison time for perjury, but without any evidence that's just one more of MANY conspiracy theories here.

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Post by mrguyorama »

next_xibalba wrote: post #630
mrguyorama wrote: post #614

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All this talk about "2nd amendment is about deposing tyranny" and yet they weren't the ones protesting the wars in the middle east and the Patriot act, two recent and objectively tyrannical acts. In fact, we know that the gun nuts in the US were broadly on the side of SUPPORTING those two things.

I think you're importing heavy bias into your interpretation. 2A types are interested in deposing tyranny when its directed against them by their own government. Not tyranny anywhere on the face of the Earth. If that's true, and I do believe it is, it is not at all incompatible with foreign wars, whether one believes they're tyrannical or not.

Full transparency: I think the only "Tyranny" that "2A types" care about is a law banning guns. They seem to love the militarization of the police, police having zero accountability ("They do a hard job", so do I but I don't get to shoot someone cause I was spooked and then go on vacation), and literally vote for Trump, who objectively has done more to remove gun rights than any democrat since clinton.

An absurd amount of the most aggressive 2A types are literally just cops, you know, the actual boot that would stand on the neck in any tyranny situation. They'll scream and cry about the ATF and then talk with their cop buddies while smoking some MJ, in a state without recreational cannabis laws.

In short, they are dishonest, whether they are smart enough to realize it or not.

Re: Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'state of emergency'

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Post by chasd00 »

jimcollinswort1 wrote: post #624

Why are we just looking up at the sky and wondering what they are? Send up a few AI assisted hunter drones to go find them and see. Then track, photograph, disable as needed.

i said the same up-thread, just get some drone racers to intercept and film them. At the very least you'll get closer footage than cell phones on the ground.

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Post by kulshan »

pelorat wrote: post #658
j_timberlake wrote: post #501

Quick summary after following this for a few days: FBI says they're rotary and fixed-wing drones, White House says they aren't foreign adversaries, Pentagon says they aren't USA military, all 3 insist that there's no indication of a real threat despite the drones being bigger and higher tech than retail drones. Politicians are PO'd that something about this doesn't add up: How can anyone know these aren't a threat wi…

Because they have navigation and avoidance lights on, as required by the FAA. This is dumb hysteria.

AP reported yesterday they are often running without any lights at all.

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Post by j_timberlake »

pc86 wrote: post #729
j_timberlake wrote: post #501

Quick summary after following this for a few days: FBI says they're rotary and fixed-wing drones, White House says they aren't foreign adversaries, Pentagon says they aren't USA military, all 3 insist that there's no indication of a real threat despite the drones being bigger and higher tech than retail drones. Politicians are PO'd that something about this doesn't add up: How can anyone know these aren't a threat wi…

Did the WH say "these are not foreign adversaries' drones" or did they give some mealy-mouthed nonsense like "there is no evidence that ..." or "we have no reason to believe that ..."? Because those are two very different things.

Pentagon: "Our initial assessment here is that these are not drones or activities coming from a foreign entity or adversary."

They can potentially claim "our initial assessment was wrong" later, but IMO they could have done that anyway regardless of their word choice here.

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Post by unsupp0rted »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #701
unsupp0rted wrote: post #669

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The next question after "yup those are ours" is "then why are they there", and they might not wish to answer that one.

“Training exercise” case closed if they wanted to end it right there.

That wouldn't close the case for most people. Not that leaving it a mystery like they're doing right now is any better.

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Post by carabiner »

_djo_ wrote: post #525
carabiner wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are claiming that these show "mimics," some type of drone designed to look like commercial aircraft.

Such people are idiots, to be blunt.

I know. Some people have REALLY gotten into it though:

> I'm a professional videographer by trade. I filmed these things for 6 hours last week. High native ISO, tripod, 400mm lens, new camera model. No one here will believe me (especially those who have not witnessed this first hand) but they mimic planes when filmed. With my naked eye they are more abstract. Some where as close as 100ft to me. Then once they are within a certain range or a camera is pointed at them they mimic aircraft. So many people online are mocking those that say this, but I'll take the downvotes. I'm a professional in my field and know what I'm describing is accurate. You just need to see it to believe it. My footage would just be mocked as plane footage. I need to go back out there but with a flight tracker app in real time as hard proof.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NJDrones/comments/1hcon8h/comment/m...

I'm guessing the camera sensor is catching more light, detail, than what the guy is seeing with his own eyes, possibly because he hasn't waited long enough for to adjust to the darkness.

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Post by neom »

mvcalder wrote: post #560
garbagewoman wrote: post #479

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why would someone call you a kook for a video of a thing

I read several comments referring to: idiots, morons, delusional, and hysteria.

I didn't think you were a kook, I did wonder why you decided to film it in the first place, more the 6am thing, or more it was unusual thing?

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Post by jahnu »

diggan wrote: post #557
jahnu wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even taking a picture of the moon with a typical phone results in a white mushy blob.

I like that parent said "200 meters" and then you give a "even" example with the distance of ~400,000 kilometers :)

Haha fair enough :D
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