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Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'state of emergency'

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Post by keepamovin »

Vegenoid wrote: post #422
keepamovin wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with the "secret testing over civilian areas" idea is that it's self-contradicting. So you think the military and intelligence has technology that is so secret they won't admit to it, but they're so uninterested in protecting that they're testing them willy nilly over populated areas?? The other contradiction is risk: so you have an aerial technology test and you do it over US civilian populations and mil…

> So you think the military and intelligence has technology that is so secret they won't admit to it It’s more like “does not have to disclose anything so chooses not to”. When you are in the long game of keeping your information and intentions secret, you don’t reveal anything if you don’t have to. They do need to test low flying aircraft in populous areas. They don’t need to say anything about it. It’s like when yo…

Hahaha funny metaphor but I don't think it's like that. It's more like they don't want to say if they can't control it, if it makes them look bad.

In your world, where is the precedent of extensive prolonged testing of secret tech over populated areas in full view?

But more important it doesn't make sense: it's either secret or you can test it so it becomes a news story. It's not both hahaha :)

Re: Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'state of emergency'

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Post by keepamovin »

8note wrote: post #452
Vegenoid wrote: post #422

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> So you think the military and intelligence has technology that is so secret they won't admit to it It’s more like “does not have to disclose anything so chooses not to”. When you are in the long game of keeping your information and intentions secret, you don’t reveal anything if you don’t have to. They do need to test low flying aircraft in populous areas. They don’t need to say anything about it. It’s like when yo…

if youre good at it, youll triangulate the questioners to the wrong conclusion, rather than leave them with no conclusion

Lying to your population is not good. Especially when it's about the nature of reality.

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iepathos wrote: post #487
motorest wrote: post #466

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> I live in NJ. I've seen these drones. They are not commercial airliners or helicopters. They are loud, fly low and slow, and make abrupt turns unlike any planes I've seen. Their lights are also very different from other aircraft. You better crank out your camera and collect any proof at all,because what you are describing bears no resemblance to the sightings mentioned in the article. There is a reason why sighting…

For real, with everyone having a smartphone with high quality cameras on them there really is zero excuse for there to not be highly detailed accurate videos of this if they are legit especially with people describing them as "low and slow".

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Re: Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'state of emergency'

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Post by j_timberlake »

_djo_ wrote: post #17
apcragg wrote: post #13

The photos I've seen posted look very obviously like commercial airliners and helicopters with their navigation lights on. You can even make out the American Airlines livery on the tail! https://www.app.com/story/news/local/new-jersey/2024/12/11/d...

Same. This is a ridiculous mass hysteria driven by media sensationalism and ignorant members of the public.

Did you post this before or after taking the 10 seconds necessary to look up the Pentagon and White House responses to this, or the FBI's?

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Post by K0balt »

These are being extensively tested in the area. PteroDynamics XP-4 https://pterodynamics.com/

They look like airliners, drones, and helicopters depending on when you see them. They are large, noisy, and carry FAA compliant lights.

They aren’t secret, per se, but the military is more interested in understanding the perception of their use than it is in sharing exactly what it is they are up to, as usual.

This is a gigantic nothing burger.

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Post by K0balt »

gradus_ad wrote: post #49
apcragg wrote: post #13

The photos I've seen posted look very obviously like commercial airliners and helicopters with their navigation lights on. You can even make out the American Airlines livery on the tail! https://www.app.com/story/news/local/new-jersey/2024/12/11/d...

I live in NJ. I've seen these drones. They are not commercial airliners or helicopters. They are loud, fly low and slow, and make abrupt turns unlike any planes I've seen. Their lights are also very different from other aircraft. I can see how it's tempting to chalk this up to hysteria, but they are absolutely large drones of some kind.

These are being extensively tested in the area: https://pterodynamics.com/

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Post by The_Colonel »

iepathos wrote: post #487
motorest wrote: post #466

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I live in NJ. I've seen these drones. They are not commercial airliners or helicopters. They are loud, fly low and slow, and make abrupt turns unlike any planes I've seen. Their lights are also very different from other aircraft. You better crank out your camera and collect any proof at all,because what you are describing bears no resemblance to the sightings mentioned in the article. There is a reason why sighting…

For real, with everyone having a smartphone with high quality cameras on them there really is zero excuse for there to not be highly detailed accurate videos of this if they are legit especially with people describing them as "low and slow".

The article suggests the drones appear during nighttime with which cameras will struggle. "low" is relative and can mean 200 meters which would be very difficult even for regular cameras (without a tripod), let alone a smartphone.

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Post by The_Colonel »

karamanolev wrote: post #475
roflyear wrote: post #267

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No you can't - try it. Take a picture of the moon.

Probably not with a phone, but "affordable" full-frame MILC/DSLR cameras with 100-400mm or 600mm lenses exist and people have them. Much better chances.

This article links photos from a Sony full frame camera and 600mm lens but it clearly struggles:

https://eu.app.com/picture-gallery/news/2024/12/10/drones-in...

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Post by keepamovin »

cuuupid wrote: post #420
keepamovin wrote: post #388

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That's fair about NOTAM's if they are low flying, how do you know they're low flying? Your answer sounds official. Is this an official answer from someone in the military or IC? You say "these drones" - do you know unequivocally what they are? How does the purpose of the Maven drone program you mention resolve the contradiction of testing a classified program that cannot be acknowledged, over civilian areas willy nil…

All of the media sightings I have seen about these so far has been low flying. I don't deny that we have very high flying drones but I doubt they would be tested without NOTAMs (over CONUS). > Your answer sounds official. Is this an official answer from someone in the military or IC? Not official - I have not been part of the IC for about a year now. I can't talk about my background there without doxxing. > How does…

100% answers? I'm the one asking the questions, you're the one who seems confident. I just wanted to understand from what basis your confidence arises.

Here's 1 high flying UFO (50k feet): https://x.com/rosscoulthart/status/1866994569088573838

I can't accept the blanket "trust us, we're the IC", because it's not credible. More so because how credibility has been surrendered by officials in IC on this topic through historical deception on UAP/UFO/NHI. Even more so when there's a motivation to lie to protect the secret that you don't control your skies, when that's your mandate.

There has to be a reckoning with truth if we hope to advance, and I actually see the Pentagon statement as +ve progress on that. In the larger context of this story, it's a bit of an acapella solo atop a harmony of voices from military saying "We don't control our airspace. There's unknown objects arising from non human intelligence." People include: Ryan Graves, Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Chris Mellon, Jay Stratton, David Grusch, Karl Nell.

It's disappointing that with your IC "frameworks" you didn't even realistically consider "other explanations"; maybe such possible blindspots have been part of the problem institutionally, which is sad - because those are the ones who should be on top of it.

Or maybe you're just being a good soldier and still have NDAs, or never knew. Anyway, if you're interested I encourage you to go down that UFO/NHI rabbithole! Fascinating stuff. I bet you'd do great work on it, too, with you analytic skills. Give it a try maybe :)

There's plenty in this comment to get you started. So...go for it! :) And the UK stuff can be searched easily, for example: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-air-force-drone-sightings-uk... and if you're keen on rabbitholing here's two more to suck you in :)

- https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/usaf-confirms-drone-inc...

- https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/uk-drone-incursions-adv...

Re: Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'state of emergency'

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Post by 05 »

genewitch wrote: post #166
carabiner wrote: post #114

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Ok, what configuration are these drones? Quadcopters? Why are they only flying at night? To evade detection? Then why do they have lights?

The videos i saw ostensibly showed what looked like rear fixed wing aircraft, like a small f-16 or something. But you could only make out that detail from the lights, which can be configured however you want to configure them to look, so, technically, it could be a large quadcopter (or octa, or hex) with lights affixed that make it look like a fixed wing aircraft. none of the videos i saw had sound from the drone to…

> FLIR would work better for certain things at night ;-)

At those distances and with typical thermal imager resolutions, the zoom lens required would cost more than a cheap car..

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