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Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'state of emergency'

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Post by vasco »

davidw wrote: post #379
guhcampos wrote: post #65

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A decent percentage of the population thinks that the president of the US can control the weather. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/government-not-controlling-the-... The fact of the matter is that a lot of people have rotten, worm-riddled cabbage for brains.

Of course the government can control the weather, what are you on about:

> In the United States, cloud seeding is used to increase precipitation in areas experiencing drought, to reduce the size of hailstones that form in thunderstorms, and to reduce the amount of fog in and around airports. In the summer of 1948, the usually humid city of Alexandria, Louisiana, under Mayor Carl B. Close, seeded a cloud with dry ice at the municipal airport during a drought; quickly 0.85 inches (22 mm) of rain fell.[77]

> Major ski resorts occasionally use cloud seeding to induce snowfall. Eleven western states and one Canadian province (Alberta) had ongoing weather modification operational programs in 2012.[78] In 2006, an $8.8 million project began in Wyoming to examine cloud seeding's effects on snowfall over Wyoming's Medicine Bow, Sierra Madre, and Wind River mountain ranges.[79]

> In Oregon, Portland General Electric used Hood River seeding to produce snow for hydro power in 1974-1975. The results were substantial, but caused an undue burden on the locals, who experienced overpowering rainfall, causing street collapses and mudslides. PGE discontinued its seeding practices the next year.[80]

> In 1978, the U.S. signed the Environmental Modification Convention, which bans the use of weather modification for hostile purposes.[81]

> As of 2022, seven agencies in California are conducting cloud seeding operations using silver iodide, including the Sacramento Municipal Utility District, which began employing the technique in 1969 to increase the water supply to its hydroelectric power plants, and reported that it results in "an average of 3 to 10% increase in [Sierra Nevada] snowpack".[82]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding#:~:text=In%20t...

Re: Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'state of emergency'

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Post by Vegenoid »

keepamovin wrote: post #363
cuuupid wrote: post #275

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At times like this it's helpful to use a simple, three point framework: [1] What do we know? [2] What is noise? [3] What is the boring explanation? For [1], we know there are likely _some_ drones. We know drones are a very hot topic for defense at the moment and that countries are heavily investing in this area. We know that these systems need very heavy testing for coordination, surveillance, etc. and we know that o…

The problem with the "secret testing over civilian areas" idea is that it's self-contradicting. So you think the military and intelligence has technology that is so secret they won't admit to it, but they're so uninterested in protecting that they're testing them willy nilly over populated areas?? The other contradiction is risk: so you have an aerial technology test and you do it over US civilian populations and mil…

> So you think the military and intelligence has technology that is so secret they won't admit to it

It’s more like “does not have to disclose anything so chooses not to”.

When you are in the long game of keeping your information and intentions secret, you don’t reveal anything if you don’t have to. They do need to test low flying aircraft in populous areas. They don’t need to say anything about it.

It’s like when you’re a kid, and your friends are trying to get you to admit who you have a crush on. If you actually want to keep it secret, you have to provide the same response to every question they ask, otherwise you are revealing information. If you say “no” truthfully to some questions but then refuse to say “no” untruthfully to other questions, then they can just pepper you with enough questions to triangulate what they want to know. Or you can just say “no comment” to everything but people take that worse.

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Post by mmooss »

davidw wrote: post #379
guhcampos wrote: post #65

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A decent percentage of the population thinks that the president of the US can control the weather. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/government-not-controlling-the-... The fact of the matter is that a lot of people have rotten, worm-riddled cabbage for brains.

> The fact of the matter is that a lot of people have rotten, worm-riddled cabbage for brains.

Does that comment reflect intelligence?

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Post by hindsightbias »

ANewFormation wrote: post #296
labster wrote: post #45

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The AA livery just means it’s a false flag attack. Truly, we haven’t seen such an invasion in Grover’s Mill, New Jersey since 1938.

I do wonder how many will get the reference.

The Red Lectoids were real!

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Post by mmooss »

walrus01 wrote: post #110
gradus_ad wrote: post #49

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I live in NJ. I've seen these drones. They are not commercial airliners or helicopters. They are loud, fly low and slow, and make abrupt turns unlike any planes I've seen. Their lights are also very different from other aircraft. I can see how it's tempting to chalk this up to hysteria, but they are absolutely large drones of some kind.

Under what circumstances and motivations, exactly, do you think that unlicensed and illegal (clearly not FAA Part 107 compliant) drone operators would be motivated to put blinking white, red and green lights on their mystery drones? Why would they do that? If you're doing to build a drone to fly at night and do clearly illegal things you're going to make the thing matte black and have no lights on it whatsoever.

> blinking white, red and green lights

I feel like I've seen a lot of that this time of year ...

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Post by throwup238 »

keepamovin wrote: post #338
guhcampos wrote: post #65

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What 'commercially available' aircraft can operate for at least 6 - 7 hours, sized up to 6 feet, not always detectable by FLIR, evade detection by helicopters, don't always use lights, have a range of at least 15 miles, are not obeying FAA line of sight regulations for night flights (all per the statewide briefing provided to NJ legislators yesterday: https://x.com/DawnFantasia_NJ/status/1866896860578717994 ) , and a…

> What extra-terrestrial amazon.com or Weyland-Yutani intergalactic commerce do you have access to haha? :)

I got a guy at Wolfram & Hart.

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Post by Erikun »

whimsicalism wrote: post #215
guhcampos wrote: post #65

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I think social media is really having a detrimental impact on these sort of mass panics.

When the Ukraine war started, there were drone sightings reported near the airport and some energy installations in Stockholm, Sweden. Then there suddenly were tons of sightings, everyone was talking about possible Russian drone operations. Many are still unexplained but a whole bunch turned out to be other things, birds, ambulance aircrafts. I think the consensus now is that there was just a few, non state, drone flights and the rest were just mass hysteria.

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Post by cuuupid »

ribadeo wrote: post #402
nine_k wrote: post #372

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If the military proclaimed these drones safe and are not shooting them down like crazy, these drones are likely reasonably safe, and are not an enemy that the US military, arguably the top one in the world, would fight. A possible bad explanation: the US military actually would love to shoot down these drones, but cannot, because e.g. they are known to contain smallpox virus, dangerous radioactive contaminants, etc.…

The military did NOT "declare them safe". A spokesperson said that there was no proven harm done or something to that effect, as i particularly noted this oddball statement for what it was. Please do go back and confirm. I also think that any threat actor would attempt to dampen down alarm. GIVEN Putins proclivity and capabilities in convincing a cerain percentage of decadent western nations (tm) populations of certa…

I believe they very explicitly said they pose no threat and also explicitly ruled out foreign entities and adversaries.

I talked about this in another comment but Putin/Russia and Iran could never be contenders for this. If it was a foreign entity it would pretty much be limited to China in terms of capability & readiness.

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Post by BWStearns »

dylan604 wrote: post #135
talldayo wrote: post #120

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Some action is already being taken; supposedly the GREMLIN program is being rolled out in areas where sightings are most common: https://taskandpurpose.com/news/military-ufo-gremlin/ > If no joy on ECW, disassemble them in the sky. I disagree, for the same reason the US doesn't send an SM-6 up to greet every plane without an IFF turned on. It's an expensive exercise in endangering human lives, not a valiant defense o…

F-16 seems like overkill for a drone. Send up the Apaches. Let's not forget it took how many sidewinders to take down the Chinese balloon? More than 1 makes someone look foolish.

A 30mm round plowing through someone’s living room because some bath water IQ nitwit thought they saw an alien is not a valid use of government resources. Even if they’re from Jersey.
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