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Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'state of emergency'

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Post by keepamovin »

conductr wrote: post #397
Vegenoid wrote: post #378

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> are assessed by the Pentagon yesterday to not originate in the US or any other nation To be clear, they stated that “these are not US military drones”, and that they have no evidence that they are from a foreign entity or adversary, which is very different from what I interpreted you as saying.

What evidence do they have though? I’m going with none and it seems odd to me they’re ok just letting the local law enforcement run point

Can you really assume they have no evidence?

You'd hope they'd have sensors and analysis capable of forming some conclusions, such as tracing the drones to a origin point, or classifying based on signature, etc.

They've haven't provided much and there's a lot of questions unanswered, but they've said unequivocally what they think the origin is not.

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Post by EGreg »

keepamovin wrote: post #338
guhcampos wrote: post #65

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What 'commercially available' aircraft can operate for at least 6 - 7 hours, sized up to 6 feet, not always detectable by FLIR, evade detection by helicopters, don't always use lights, have a range of at least 15 miles, are not obeying FAA line of sight regulations for night flights (all per the statewide briefing provided to NJ legislators yesterday: https://x.com/DawnFantasia_NJ/status/1866896860578717994 ) , and a…

Honestly you can drive down the Gowanus expressway any day of the week in NYC and see these mysterious large drones somehow sitting up in the air for HOURS, silently. You can see their lights as they hover, if you are coming from the tunnel to the verazzano bridge. What kind of battery tech do they have! Who flies them??

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Post by binary132 »

ponector wrote: post #205
OutOfHere wrote: post #23

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It's always wrong (in every possible way) to be the first one to engage hostilities. To be morally in the clear, you should always wait for the other side to engage first. If we didn't follow this doctrine, we would've already had a nuclear holocaust. Warmongers and civilization don't mix. We don't know anything about their capabilities as individual drones or as a cluster of drones. For all you know, when you shoot…

According to this logic we should wait untill Iran creates a nuke and only then destroy their nuclear facilities, right?

Why should we attack Iran if they develop a nuclear weapon? That seems pretty unprovoked.

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Post by keepamovin »

EGreg wrote: post #412
keepamovin wrote: post #338

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What 'commercially available' aircraft can operate for at least 6 - 7 hours, sized up to 6 feet, not always detectable by FLIR, evade detection by helicopters, don't always use lights, have a range of at least 15 miles, are not obeying FAA line of sight regulations for night flights (all per the statewide briefing provided to NJ legislators yesterday: https://x.com/DawnFantasia_NJ/status/1866896860578717994 ) , and a…

Honestly you can drive down the Gowanus expressway any day of the week in NYC and see these mysterious large drones somehow sitting up in the air for HOURS, silently. You can see their lights as they hover, if you are coming from the tunnel to the verazzano bridge. What kind of battery tech do they have! Who flies them??

Cool. What do you think? Have you tried to record them? Do they make any noise? How low do you think they are? :)

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Post by bee_rider »

mp05 wrote: post #159
abuani wrote: post #68

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And those other 4 out of 10 are very clearly not commercial airlines. I live in NJ was very skeptical of this at first, but after seeing the same patterns 5 nights in a row for aircrafts not going towards Newark, I really have a hard time believing it is simply airlines.

Stop believing your lying eyes for they deceive you. Here, read this, it will calm your nerves.

Most of us have not actually seen these things. We’ve just seen social media posts about them.

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Post by paul7986 »

JohnBooty wrote: post #384
paul7986 wrote: post #344

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overall this says the US will allow undenitified drones in our air space and to fly unabated to our enemies ... one of these or future ones could be weaponized. So its unfathomable to me that they we are letting these things fly unabated in our airspace, as well the govt is providing zero info or re-assurance.

If we start blasting things out of the sky: - We certainly can't deny that "something" is happening - The US, if not the world, is going to be rocked by (basically) open war in the skies of America - If we fail to down these things, we look like utterly weak fools - Succeed or fail, we reveal our capabilities (or lack thereof) - Legit public safety issue, bullets/shells/missiles/etc that miss these things have to com…

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Post by lazide »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #327
op00to wrote: post #238

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New Jersey is essentially one big sensitive site. Between Picatinny Arsenal, Joint Base McGuire-Dix, NWS Earle, and all the other smaller sites, you’re about 15 miles away from any one site and if you’re near civilization you’re much closer. Add in other sensitive sites like power stations and reservoirs, and the entire state is “sensitive”. This smacks hard of manipulation and agitation. 99% of the sitings shared wi…

So why do most of the UFOS ... sorry UAP's ... come to New Mexico?

Lots of swamp gas, very few independent observers.

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Post by craftsman »

keepamovin wrote: post #406
craftsman wrote: post #400

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> "are assessed by the Pentagon yesterday to not originate in the US or any other nation" This statement logically means that: * The Pentagon assessed (determined) that X is true * Where X is defined as "The drones do not originate in the US or any other nation" That is different than the statement: * The Pentagon has stated that (a) X is false, and (b) they have no evidence that Y is true. * Where X is defined as "T…

For clarity the exact words the Pentagon staff in the video used are: "at this time we have no evidence that these activities are coming from a foreign entity or the work of an adversary...these are not US military drones" What's your thoughts?

I'd just revise the second part of my post to:

That is different than the statement:

* The Pentagon has stated that (a) X is true, and (b) they have no evidence that Y is true.

* Where X is defined as "These are not US military drones"

* Where Y is defined as "these activities are coming from a foreign entity or the work of an adversary"

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Post by cuuupid »

keepamovin wrote: post #388
cuuupid wrote: post #376

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> So you think the military and intelligence has technology that is so secret they won't admit to it, but they're so uninterested in protecting that they're testing them willy nilly over populated areas?? The explicit purpose of most advances in drone technology over the last ~20 years is not to be the biggest baddest weapon in the sky, but to be a hard to catch camera that sees everything and knows everything. That…

That's fair about NOTAM's if they are low flying, how do you know they're low flying? Your answer sounds official. Is this an official answer from someone in the military or IC? You say "these drones" - do you know unequivocally what they are? How does the purpose of the Maven drone program you mention resolve the contradiction of testing a classified program that cannot be acknowledged, over civilian areas willy nil…

All of the media sightings I have seen about these so far has been low flying. I don't deny that we have very high flying drones but I doubt they would be tested without NOTAMs (over CONUS).

> Your answer sounds official. Is this an official answer from someone in the military or IC?

Not official - I have not been part of the IC for about a year now. I can't talk about my background there without doxxing.

> How does the purpose of the Maven drone program you mention resolve the contradiction of testing a classified program that cannot be acknowledged, over civilian areas willy nilly?

I don't think I can answer this without doxxing or leaking, but there are a lot of public communications on MSS, its goals, what it involves, etc. and its recent expansions.

> These were also spotted in the UK over multiple bases (RAF Lakenheath, etc). Even if this were a test of our own technology, there's a lot of risk, and a lot of unknown and concern among officials who are in the dark, which creates more risk. It does not scan.

I haven't seen any reports of these; my gut reaction would be to suspect these are not drones and just regular aircraft. I wouldn't rule out drone tech (UK is in FVEY) but don't think it is likely.

I'm not saying it is necessarily ethical or a correct thing that these programs have such infrequent and limited oversight. I'm just quoting the reality (at least up to last year).

> You seem to be saying you have the answers. Is that how you feel? Is that what you're saying?

I'm just applying a framework that typically works for me and my existing knowledge of these programs. I'm not actively in the IC and can't definitely say I'm 100% right, but I don't see any other explanations at this point.

If you are looking for 100% answers there are probably entire chatrooms and threads dedicated to this on chatsurfer by now :)

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