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Post by sleepybrett »

runarberg wrote: post #712
sleepybrett wrote: post #449

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This will almost certainly be in theaters within 5 years, probably first as a small experimental project (think blair witch).

The Blair Witch Project was a (surprise) creative masterpiece. It worked with very limited technology to create a very clever plot which was paired with an amazing marketing. The combination of which the world hadn’t seen before. It took some creative geniuses to peace the Blair Witch Project together. Generative AI will never produce an experience like that. I know never is a long time, but I’m still gonna call it.…

I'm thinking more of a Gibsonian 'Garage Kubrick'. A solitary auteur (or small team) that produces the film alone perhaps without even touching a camera, generating all the footage using AI (in the novel the auteur creates all the footage through photo/found-footage manipulation, or at least thats all we see in text). The script will probably be human written, I'm not talking about an AI producing a film from scratch, rather a film being produced using AI to create all the visuals and audio.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by runarberg »

sleepybrett wrote: post #981
runarberg wrote: post #712

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Blair Witch Project was a (surprise) creative masterpiece. It worked with very limited technology to create a very clever plot which was paired with an amazing marketing. The combination of which the world hadn’t seen before. It took some creative geniuses to peace the Blair Witch Project together. Generative AI will never produce an experience like that. I know never is a long time, but I’m still gonna call it.…

I'm thinking more of a Gibsonian 'Garage Kubrick'. A solitary auteur (or small team) that produces the film alone perhaps without even touching a camera, generating all the footage using AI (in the novel the auteur creates all the footage through photo/found-footage manipulation, or at least thats all we see in text). The script will probably be human written, I'm not talking about an AI producing a film from scratch…

That is a far more reasonable prediction but I don’t even see this future. This kind of “film making” will at best be something generated for the amusement of the creator (think, give me a specific episode of Star Trek where Picard ...) or as prototypes or concepts of yet to be filmed with actual actors. And it certainly won’t be in theaters, not in 5 years, or ever.

Generative AI will not be able to approach the artistry of your average actor (not even a bad actor), it won’t be able match the lighting or the score to the mood (unless you carefully craft that in your prompt). It won‘t get creative with the camera angles (again unless you specifically prompt for a specific angle) or the cuts. And it probably won’t stay consistent with any of these, or otherwise break the consistency at the right moments, like an artist could.

If you manage to prompt the generative AI to create a full feature film with excellent acting, the correct lighting given the mood, a consistent tone with editing to match, etc. you have probably spent much more time and money into crafting the prompt than would otherwise have gone into simply hiring the crew to create your movie. The AI movie will certainly contain slop and be visibly so bad it guaranteed will not be in theaters.

Now if you hired that crew to make the movie instead, that crew might use AI as a tool to enhance their artistry, but you still need your specialized artists to use that tool correctly. That movie might make it to the theaters.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by domid »

Nina1000 wrote: post #961

The competition in text-to-video tools is heating up, but a key challenge remains: achieving desired results without exhausting resources. Runway, for instance, often consumes all your credits before producing something usable, even if you stick to their guidelines. Hailuo AI shows better consistency, while Sora Turbo sounds promising with potentially more mature generations. Progress is clear, but there’s still a wa…

I've been thinking about your point regarding credit consumption with these tools. I started exploring this at https://liveimage.ai (an AI video avatar generator) with a low-res preview system first. I'm curious if you think this kind of approach would be more useful - generating quick low-res previews that use minimal credits, then only processing high-res versions once you're happy with the result? Seems like it could help avoid wasting resources on full quality generations that don't match what you're looking for. I often wonder if jumping straight to high-res without previewing is partly why people burn through credits so quickly. Would love to hear if you've encountered other tools taking this kind of approach.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by IAmGraydon »

gambiting wrote: post #783
JPKab wrote: post #606

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What education do you specifically think is necessary for people with average IQs all over the world to not be fooled by this, given that they are aware that videos can easily be faked in 2024? A high school degree? A bachelors?

>>given that they are aware that videos can easily be faked in 2024? That's a ridiculous assumption. In my experience no one outside of tech circles is even remotely aware that this kind of thing is possible already.

With all due respect, I think you may be out of touch.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by neop1x »

NoNotTheDuo wrote: post #915

Their example videos: https://openai.com/sora/ , of the doors opening, are hilarious. 1. The first set of doors doesn't have any doorknobs or handles. https://ibb.co/PwqfzBq 2. The second set of doors has handles, and some very large/random hinges on the left door. https://ibb.co/JkDtc6r 3. The third set doesn't have any handles, but I can forgive that, because we're in a spaceship now. The problem is that the inside…

There are more examples of its limitations.

The video with dogs shows three taxis transforming into one, the number of people under the tree changing https://player.vimeo.com/video/1037090356?h=07432076b5&loop=...

An example from the HunyuanVideo is terrible as well. Look at that awful tongue: https://hunyuanvideoai.com/part-1-3.mp4

And what we see in that marketing is probably the best they could generate. And I suppose it took a lot of prompt tweaking and regenerations.

The internet is already full of junk shorts and useless videos and soon there will be even more junk content everywhere. :(

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Post by kranke155 »

potatoman22 wrote: post #713
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #500

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But they don't, they just understand pixel relationships (right?)

You can model a lot of basic physics through observing 1,000,000 videos

Not consistently though. I think some model of understanding of physics is emergent but it doesn’t seem emergent enough. The model doesn’t understand object permanence either.

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Post by kranke155 »

potatoman22 wrote: post #713
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #500

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But they don't, they just understand pixel relationships (right?)

You can model a lot of basic physics through observing 1,000,000 videos

Here’s an idea - what if the fact that we have a body that has weight and consequence helps us understand physics? What if just visual data won’t get there because visual data lacks the sense of self? Could be interesting

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Post by sota_pop »

manquer wrote: post #708
sota_pop wrote: post #680

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Why has “table stakes” become such a popular phrase in the last 12-24 months?

Has it? It is a gambling term, most VC funded startups are gambles, AI ones particularly so, it felt apt. perhaps it correlates to a raise in investing that no longer is based on sound fundamentals in both traditional and new age assets(like crypto) perhaps makes people identify more with gambling.

I was neither criticizing your comment nor choice of words - I actually agree with both. Was just curious about the phrase. Your guess seems like a good one!

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Post by mattmaroon »

oblio wrote: post #639
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #629

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> but you can’t just have a tank, fighter jet, or ICBM. ?? You 100% can in the USA it just costs a lot of money.

Operational military ones? Tanks that are basically very dense semis don't really count for this point.

No he’s just doing an aaaaaactually comment. Wouldn’t be HN if someone didn’t.

You cannot own tanks or jets capable of using military ordnance in the US (and I’d wager nearly any country that has anything resembling rule of law). You can own decommissioned ones that are rendered militarily useless.

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Post by WXLCKNO »

mirsadm wrote: post #324
WXLCKNO wrote: post #221

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I understand your take but it's only going to get better and incredibly fast. I'm a huge film nerd and I can only dream of a future where I could use these type of tools (but more advanced) to create short films about ideas I've had. It's very exciting to me

I somehow doubt it's (lack of) technology that's stopping you from creating your ideas.

Yeah it's a desire to do so in a really short amount of time because there's other things I prioritize.
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