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Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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> main reasoning by the judge seemed to be that a single round sealed bid process is unlikely to maximize the sale price which on it's surface seems pretty accurate Did the judge argue against the single round or the sealed price? Criticising sealed bids is nonsense. The gold-standard auction (Vickrey, or more accurately, VCG) features sealed bids. If the judge is criticising sealed bids at all , The Onion should app…

I have real world experience with a lot of different auction designs being deployed, including many variations of the VCG auction. The VCG auction is only good in theory. In practice, most people don't know how much they actually value a thing, and when they are trying to play the VCG game they typically underbid and later have deep remorse. That's the most common mistake, but I've seen plenty of other mistakes as we…

> VCG auctions tend not to work well because the bidders often don't have a strong enough grasp over game theory nor a deep enough understanding of how valuable an asset is to them, and therefore the VCG usually generates suboptimal outcomes

May I hazard a guess that you worked on low-value recurring auctions? You're describing unsophisticated bidders unwilling to expend search costs. For them, yes, "the seller has an interest in providing participants with as much information as possible about the object’s value" both before bidding starts and during it, the latter due to the impact to bids being less than the overcoming of search costs.

> the auction that seems to work the best is the Ebay auction, where you get immediate feedback if you underbid, but you aren't allowed to see how high the other person is willing to go

Another comment highlights why this doesn't work for high-value items [2]. (They also assume bona fide bids, which isn't a problem if you can filter out shill bids.)

[1] https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/economic-sciences/2020/pop...

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42389681

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Jones repeatedly violated court orders, withheld subpoenaed documents, ignored depositions, and disrupted the trial every chance he got, and so received a default judgement. I don't know where you heard the line about YouTube ad revenue but that's got nothing to do with nothing. Everything that happened was his own fault. He was extended plenty of leeway and he blew every last bit of it. If he thought the amount of m…

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> As you can always be credibly accused of withholding something.

It's a little easier when your lawyers accidentally email the stuff you claim not to have to the plaintiffs.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alex-jones-lawyers-acci...

> Kafkaesque level farce, if the the Judge literally threatens you, and your lawyers with jail for daring to testify that you're not guilty during your own trial. Just think about it.

Not during; after. Similarly, you can't argue innocence at criminal sentencing proceedings.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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> And it's especially rich in a time where the most popular podcast genre is women commenting on brutal murder cases as they're fresh and being investigated, and throwing out their pet theories about real living people being responsible. What's the difference? Can you cite any data on that at all? I’m aware of the genre of podcast you’re referring to but I’ve never been aware of it even remotely being the most popula…

it's #3 after comedy and news https://www.statista.com/statistics/786938/top-podcast-genre...

True Crime as a whole may be.

That says nothing about "women commenting on brutal murder cases as they're fresh and being investigated, and throwing out their pet theories about real living people being responsible" even existing at all. (Although I'm sure there's some examples of it somewhere.)

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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They know Alex Jones has money. They're coming after his money. I think it's as simple as that. And I wouldn't be surprised if the judge simply doesn't like the guy.

>the judge simply doesn't like the guy That doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in the US justice system.

I don't have a lot of confidence in the US justice system :)

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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> The Jones lawyers argued that the discovery requests were for documents that don't exist, and that's why they were not produced. And then they accidentally sent all of the non-existent documents to the plaintiffs, showing Jones had committed perjury. And then they forgot to claim it as privileged in a timely fashion. And then Jones got confronted with the lie in court. And then they got sanctioned for the fuckup. O…

>And then they accidentally sent all of the non-existent documents to the plaintiffs That's not what these two linked articles say. The AP articles about this state that the improper conduct was about disclosure of information the plaintiffs had sent the Jones legal team. Nothing to do with discovery that was requested from Jones.

https://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Alex-Jones-cellphone-...

> During parts of his testimony stretching over two days in a Texas courtroom, Jones repeatedly told jurors that he does not use email and that he had searched the contents of his phone for messages pertaining to Sandy Hook after he was sued by several family members of the victims for falsely saying the shooting was a hoax.

> Jones said that his phone search, done during the discovery phase of the trial, did not turn up any relevant messages. Texas Judge Maya Guerra Gamble has already ruled in favor of Sandy Hook parents Neil Heslin and Scarlett Lewis by default, saying that Jones did not comply with the rules of discovery in the case.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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I don't watch the trial and don't know anything about Alex Jones but didn't he show up? His own lawyer "accidentally" sent his private text messages to the plaintiff attorneys. Of course the judge allowed that mistake to be used in trial. So I think he did show up as least from that memory of the trial.

Showing up isn't what he got in trouble and received a default judgement for was was not complying with discovery. He was required to produce certain things like messages about certain topics and financial records. For some topics they returned no records and later when the full phone record was sent by mistake there were texts with the keywords from the discovery request. Some documents they simply refused to produc…

This is like getting accused of murder, and the judge finding you guilty because you didn't produce knife during discovery, the prosecution said you had. Just absurd.

Then skipping ahead to the sentencing, and the judge telling your lawyers that if you testify you're not guilty to the jury, he'll find you and your lawyers in contempt (jail-able offence).

While lining up a long list of crying victims to tell the jury how horrible you are.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Jones seems like a nut, but the way he's being taken to the cleaners and sued for comical amounts of money are just absurd. I'm not being hyperbolic saying people would be less mad at him if he had done the shooting himself. And it's especially rich in a time where the most popular podcast genre is women commenting on brutal murder cases as they're fresh and being investigated, and throwing out their pet theories abo…

Let’s talk about scale: Jones has to pay ~5x what Boeing did. Boeing killed 346 people https://apnews.com/article/boeing-guilty-plea-crashes-245a38...

Who deserves stronger punishment: a man who makes an error while driving and kills a family by accident?

Or a man who deliberately runs a person down (but his target survived), and intends to continue doing so?

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Because it's obviously crazy. 1 billion dollars is the 588 people's entire life income. It's just excessive.

The people who saw all the information and heard from the parties involved made that decision. You are saying they are wrong based on a feeling.

It was a default judgement. No trial took place and there was no ability for the jury to see evidence from both sides. The monetary amount was absolutely based on feelings.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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This is a lie. Hiding assets is trivially easy. You just shouldn't hide them by literally hiding them or not telling about them. Selling the assets for almost free to a different organisation just before you go get your bankrupty is the way to go.

If it is legal and done in plain sight, then it is not "hiding" by definition. If it were illegal, the court and the lawyers representing parents would have done something about the fact of the sale. Hide: "put or keep out of sight; conceal from the view or notice of others." The fact is that most of complainers here would be laughed out of the bancruptcy court, yourself included. Selling assets for nothing before ba…

In the financial world, hiding an asset doesn't always mean making it literally invisible. It just means making it out of reach to the collector.

You can argue about the legality of what he did if you want, but being a pedant about the dictionary definition of the word "hide" just detracts from your main point by showing that you're arguing in bad faith.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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No bankruptcy resolves the debt. Otherwise there would be no point in a bankruptcy process.

No, not necessarily, and not in this case. https://www.reuters.com/legal/alex-jones-cant-avoid-sandy-ho... > Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones cannot use his personal bankruptcy to escape paying at least $1.1 billion in defamation damages stemming from his repeated lies about the 2012 Sandy Hook elementary school massacre, a U.S. bankruptcy judge ruled Thursday. > Bankruptcy can be used to wipe out debts and legal judgm…

Exactly.

The intent of bankruptcy law is to benefit the economy by allowing people and corporations to take risks and start over.

It's not to let them get away with defamation.

So there's a line between healthy economic risk-taking (bankruptcy discharges) and bad behavior (bankruptcy doesn't affect that).

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