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Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Post by latexr »

the_optimist wrote: post #559
latexr wrote: post #439

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> for being offensive. The Sandy Hook parents received death threats for years because of him. That’s not “being offensive”, it’s tormenting people and putting their lives in peril. https://archive.ph/20221013141353/https://www.nytimes.com/20...

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If someone started a rumour that “the_optimist on HN sleeps with seventeen goats every Thursday” and you started getting calls of people saying “you’re a pervert for sleeping with seventeen goats”, it would be quite obvious what motivated the call, would it not?

Before calling something impossible, consider the bare minimum effort to skim the linked article, or read any article on this subject. It is in fact quite trivial and provable.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Post by HumblyTossed »

zer8k wrote: post #525
ARandomerDude wrote: post #496

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When has it been otherwise? See also: Hunter Biden.

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Biden wouldn't have to preemptively pardon anyone if there were not about to be a shit ton of sham prosecutions.

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Post by vel0city »

the_optimist wrote: post #566
vel0city wrote: post #331

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Have you really never heard of perjury or fraud before? You don't have a right to lie.

Both of these concepts are specifically defined in law, whereas “lie” is not. You are made of marshmallows! Sue me.

> You are made of marshmallows!

This is defamation, which is also against the law. However, the damages here are incredibly minor, and thus not worth punishing. Most people probably don't believe you.

However, if I made a lie about you that caused you to lose your employment and become unhireable, is that also protected speech?

You don't have a right to harm others with lies. You don't have a right to lie.

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Post by capybaraStorm »

ceejayoz wrote: post #577
zer8k wrote: post #525

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> The Hunter Biden pardon literally set historical precedent. It followed a long-established historical precedent. Clinton pardoned his brother ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controvers... ). The Bushes pardoned their Iran Contra cronies ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooter_Libby_clemency_controv... ). Trump pardoned his son-in-law's father (and now appointed him to be the French ambassador; h…

I promise this is an honest question: has ANY president since the civil war reconciliation blanket pardoned someone for an entire decade for all known and unknown federal crimes?

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Post by highcountess »

acdha wrote: post #205
hbn wrote: post #188

Jones seems like a nut, but the way he's being taken to the cleaners and sued for comical amounts of money are just absurd. I'm not being hyperbolic saying people would be less mad at him if he had done the shooting himself. And it's especially rich in a time where the most popular podcast genre is women commenting on brutal murder cases as they're fresh and being investigated, and throwing out their pet theories abo…

Jones continued to inflict harm on families who’d lost children, and profited significantly from it both financially and politically. He defied multiple courts, too, so there was no question of premeditation or incapacity, just repeated decisions to cause harm year after year. That’s the difference: true crime podcasts don’t cause harm on that scale, and few people are going to defy the authority of the legal system…

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Post by ceejayoz »

capybaraStorm wrote: post #594
ceejayoz wrote: post #577

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> The Hunter Biden pardon literally set historical precedent. It followed a long-established historical precedent. Clinton pardoned his brother ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controvers... ). The Bushes pardoned their Iran Contra cronies ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooter_Libby_clemency_controv... ). Trump pardoned his son-in-law's father (and now appointed him to be the French ambassador; h…

I promise this is an honest question: has ANY president since the civil war reconciliation blanket pardoned someone for an entire decade for all known and unknown federal crimes?

There's a pretty big obvious example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon

> Now, Therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.

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Post by capybaraStorm »

ceejayoz wrote: post #596
capybaraStorm wrote: post #594

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I promise this is an honest question: has ANY president since the civil war reconciliation blanket pardoned someone for an entire decade for all known and unknown federal crimes?

There's a pretty big obvious example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon > Now, Therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon,…

That is damn close. This one is quite interesting in and of its twice as long and concerns someone who doesn't have the kind of immunity presidents have recently been under scrutiny for possibly having.

Another interesting thing I found about Hunter's pardon was that the president openly said isolated prosecutions of lying on the 4473 are unfairly targeted, but then baffling only pardoned his son for it.

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Post by ajb »

chollida1 wrote: post #380
ajb wrote: post #206

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That's not what this judgement says. It actually says the sale did not generate enough money for the creditors and the process should be run again. I think the Judge maybe naive in thinking that re-running an auction will generate more money (normally it will generate less, as the losing bidders will drop out) but he did not agree with Jones' claims.

> I think the Judge maybe naive in thinking that re-running an auction will generate more money (normally it will generate less, as the losing bidders will drop out) but he did not agree with Jones' claims. What evidence are you basing this on?

I no longer remember the title of the paper but it was on the Gordon-Brown-era spectrum auctions. Basically if bidders can obtain information about each others preferences other than via the auction - or in some cases even via the auction - the expected price is lower. I think it applies when a limited number of bidders are interested. If Elon is interested then all bets are off :-)

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Post by Taek »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #298
rtkwe wrote: post #294

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The main reasoning by the judge seemed to be that a single round sealed bid process is unlikely to maximize the sale price which on it's surface seems pretty accurate. So long as the families forgoing parts of their judgements is allowed to be part of the bids though any competing bids seem doomed, it's a big war chest they can throw around that's essentially meaningless because they'll never be able to collect it an…

> main reasoning by the judge seemed to be that a single round sealed bid process is unlikely to maximize the sale price which on it's surface seems pretty accurate Did the judge argue against the single round or the sealed price? Criticising sealed bids is nonsense. The gold-standard auction (Vickrey, or more accurately, VCG) features sealed bids. If the judge is criticising sealed bids at all , The Onion should app…

I have real world experience with a lot of different auction designs being deployed, including many variations of the VCG auction.

The VCG auction is only good in theory. In practice, most people don't know how much they actually value a thing, and when they are trying to play the VCG game they typically underbid and later have deep remorse. That's the most common mistake, but I've seen plenty of other mistakes as well.

In other words, VCG auctions tend not to work well because the bidders often don't have a strong enough grasp over game theory nor a deep enough understanding of how valuable an asset is to them, and therefore the VCG usually generates suboptimal outcomes.

In my experience, the auction that seems to work the best is the Ebay auction, where you get immediate feedback if you underbid, but you aren't allowed to see how high the other person is willing to go. Instead, you have to talk yourself into taking a risk on being left holding the bag if you choose to push the price up.

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Post by capybaraStorm »

HumblyTossed wrote: post #592
zer8k wrote: post #525

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Biden wouldn't have to preemptively pardon anyone if there were not about to be a shit ton of sham prosecutions.

If you think prosecutions are shams for the elite, wait until you see what they look like against the plebs.
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