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Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Post by roland35 »

zer8k wrote: post #476
latexr wrote: post #439

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> for being offensive. The Sandy Hook parents received death threats for years because of him. That’s not “being offensive”, it’s tormenting people and putting their lives in peril. https://archive.ph/20221013141353/https://www.nytimes.com/20...

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Dude you are uninformed! Jones profited off the sandy hook families, elevated people like halzig, and accused the parents of being crisis actors which directly led to harassment. Jones is the one with the platform spreading these lies and that is why he got sued.

Also he certainly may have won the defamation cases against him. Too bad he totally made a joke of the process which led to the default judgement. Maybe he thought providing the discovery info was worse?

Listen to his depositions yourself if you don't believe me. Jones is a sociopath.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Post by Suppafly »

amyames wrote: post #308
munk-a wrote: post #268

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It's complicated - it went to the bidder that would result in the two largest debtors being the happiest with the outcome but that bidder didn't bid the most money in a regular manner. The structure of the bid was quite complex but essentially the largest debtor agreed to enlarge the share the second largest debtor would receive by supplementing it from their own share due to the awards in the two court cases being s…

Just navel gazing here maybe there is case precedent or law here. The debtor generally deserves their case to be discharged resolved liquidated closed and done forever. Paying ongoing reparations in royalties or whatever the onion proposes doesn’t accomplish this. Alex Jones himself could convert his case to a chapter 13 and set up a “repayment” plan based on his own anticipated/potential earnings from his own busine…

>Paying ongoing reparations in royalties or whatever the onion proposes doesn’t accomplish this.

Sure it does, the Onion would be paying the royalties, Alex Jones already doesn't own it, it's essentially owned by an estate that is selling it off to cover Alex Jones' debts.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Post by adolph »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #389
HWR_14 wrote: post #315

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I thought the other reason was that some creditors were trying to use their debt forgiveness as a credit to purchase inforwars. Which obviously doesn't make sense in a bankruptcy, since the whole point is the creditors are not going to get paid back 100%.

> Which obviously doesn't make sense in a bankruptcy, since the whole point is the creditors are not going to get paid back 100% The creditors already own the asset. The estate is selling, not Alex Jones. If you asked every creditor which bid they preferred, which do you think they'd choose? The creditors forgoing their claims obviously prefer one. As for the rest, they'll choose the one that pays them more: The Onio…

> The creditors already own the asset.

The parent comment, quoted above is misinformation.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Post by potato3732842 »

busterarm wrote: post #540
potato3732842 wrote: post #529

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>but the court chose the nuclear option to default against Jones. Institution that is a fundamental part of the establishment and status quo jumps at the chance to shit all over someone who's shtick is undermining public trust in the establishment and status quo. Water is wet. More news at 11.

I don't in the slightest bit disagree, just pointing out that they had discretion and it was still a choice.

Yeah, I think the part that makes this so controversial isn't that they exercised their discretion to screw him, which is absolutely expected, but that the court chose a total amount so large as to be newsworthy and garner sympathy for Jones and make people question the actions of the court by itself. The idea that some singular kook running a talk show could get a judgement that we rarely ever see levied upon major corporations that pour far more man hours into far more definable evil makes people who've never heard of the guy ask WTF.

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Post by JacobThreeThree »

booleandilemma wrote: post #515
impossiblefork wrote: post #276

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But a billion dollars. The order of magnitude isn't 'immense stress to an individual', it's on the order of burning down tens or hundreds of houses.

They know Alex Jones has money. They're coming after his money. I think it's as simple as that. And I wouldn't be surprised if the judge simply doesn't like the guy.

>the judge simply doesn't like the guy

That doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in the US justice system.

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Post by dylan604 »

itsoktocry wrote: post #543
dylan604 wrote: post #484

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You know, if Elon buys it at the same levels of inflated values he did for Twitter so that the creditors get paid, I'm kind of okay with that. Just kind of. His fix will not go to Jones. Jones is not going away however this ends. Just the brand. He can create a new brand.

> You know, if Elon buys it at the same levels of inflated values he did for Twitter so that the creditors get paid, He paid $44B. He probably could have got it for less at the time, but if you think it's not worth that, I'm not sure what to tell you. It's literally where all news gets broken. All of it. And he's using it to influence global politics.

Inflated values was Musk's own words, not mine. To the point, he was forced by a court to honor his original higher price than what he wanted to pay after re-evaluating it. Not sure why you're quibbling over the fact that everyone thinks Musk paid an inflated price.

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Post by JacobThreeThree »

judge2020 wrote: post #477
Nathanba wrote: post #472

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There are countless documents showing his contempt of court, failure to produce discovery, etc.

Actually, the default judgement doesn't go into any specifics about what he failed to produce in discovery.

The Jones lawyers argued that the discovery requests were for documents that don't exist, and that's why they were not produced.

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Post by JacobThreeThree »

m-ee wrote: post #442
hbn wrote: post #241

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When was the last time he was profiting from Sandy Hook conspiracies? I heard him apologize for it years ago and say he doesn't believe it. And true crime podcasts definitely do cause harm, the fans of those shows love playing vigilante detective, stalking and harassing people close to the case to get information. I remember a few years ago there was an incident where they were protesting outside of some guy's house…

The deposition of his father clearly laid out that they saw spikes in sales when the sandy hook conspiracy was mentioned and actively sought to replicate it.

This doesn't answer the question about when this was occurring.

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Post by the_optimist »

latexr wrote: post #439
pookha wrote: post #334

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You're stretching it. In the US the government can't arrest for causing offense to someone specifically because of the 1st amendment...You can get sued for libel (very high bar and it's notoriously difficult in the US) but you're not going to be rounded up and put into a corrections facility for being offensive. This is the perfect illustration of the first amendment in the US vs the UK. In the UK a violent Maoist (r…

> for being offensive. The Sandy Hook parents received death threats for years because of him. That’s not “being offensive”, it’s tormenting people and putting their lives in peril. https://archive.ph/20221013141353/https://www.nytimes.com/20...

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Post by netbioserror »

Sparkle-san wrote: post #507
netbioserror wrote: post #383

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The crime was defamation and there was an entire court case about it which was upheld on appeal. Alex got his day(s) in court and he lost and now is in the finding out phase of fucking around. The people who harassed these families did so only because of the lies perpetuated by Alex Jones. He knew this to be the case and doubled and tripled down on it. If I figured out who you were, told millions of people your name,…

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