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Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Post by JacobThreeThree »

Thinkx220 wrote: post #176
jasonjayr wrote: post #144

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What he did was beyond mere defamation. It was heinous, it was blatant and deliberate dishonesty, and targeted vulnerable victims. Repeating the verifiable lie that the Sandy Hook incident did not happen, and promoting violence against the surviving families, despite repeated opportunities to stop without penalty, is beyond forgivable. And this penalty is because he declined to defend this behavior. Remember, it's a…

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I've also never seen video of him inciting people. But supposedly he did? Does someone have the actual evidence?

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Post by gretch »

Nathanba wrote: post #487
gretch wrote: post #452

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Boeing killed people while making a not-good-enough design for a highly complex airplane system. And even though it killed 346 ppl, it continues to get millions people safely from point to point safely. It's negligent and they need to change, but it's pretty forgivable. Jones went on a mic and ripped false info, enriching no one but himself and grieving these families repeatedly.

This is misrepresentation, they didn't just happen to make a mistake in a complex situation. The crime was to know about the mistake and still not fix it - on purpose. The crime was to know that they should be giving people training on this system for safety reasons but they didn't anyway. Afaik it is an additional misrepresentation that the same system is now continuing on to fly. It is not, they fixed it and patche…

Some of the issues were reported and a decision maker thought "we can get by without this". Pretty much the same reason the Challenger exploded. With a large company, there's gonna be reports about all sorts of stuff all the time, and you have to sort through the noise. They failed to do that here.

But is there any shred of doubt that no one, including the greediest most-souless bureaucrat, actually tried to make an airplane crash and kill people?

Crashing airplanes is VERY predictably bad for the stock price.

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Post by timerol »

capybaraStorm wrote: post #481
jmward01 wrote: post #42

It is clear that Jones and his relatives have moved money and assets around in order to shield them from the verdict. Now, money that should have been already given to the victims is being used to steal back the megaphone that caused harmed in the first place. The end effect will probably be even more subscribers and money for Jones which he will use with even less restraint since he knows there are no consequences.…

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Repeatedly accusing the families of being actors lying about the event sounds like defamation of living people to me

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Post by AustinDev »

Eisenstein wrote: post #434
d357r0y3r wrote: post #279

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It's not, as defamation should have legal consequences. A one billion dollar payout verdict is just orders of magnitude off in terms of proportionality. Unfortunately, Alex Jones the person and the nature of Sandy Hook means that most people won't be able to look at this situation with any sort of sanity. The verdict could have been 100 trillion and people would have said it was deserved.

I'm not sure that is the argument that you think it is. If a jury awarded it after seeing all the evidence and the majority of people agree with it, wouldn't that indicate that it is fair? What criteria do you have that overrides the vast majority of people's sense of fairness?

A jury isn't involved in a default judgement afaik

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Post by peterfirefly »

hedora wrote: post #488
floydnoel wrote: post #289

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Delaware judges seem to have a penchant for that lately. Certainly not a good look.

Also, as a Trump appointee, and given the relationship between Trump and Jones, the judge should recuse themselves. If this case were an article in The Onion, it'd seem too unrealistic to be funny. Well done, Global Tetrahedron!

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Post by _zgx0 »

The amount of folks here supporting Alex Jones is completely shocking to me.

He built a business out of attacking and re-victimizing parents whose children were murdered. He's scum of the earth.

That business was taken away from him, and folks think that's too much? What the actual fuck.

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Post by Sparkle-san »

netbioserror wrote: post #383
Sparkle-san wrote: post #377

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How about having people threatening to rape and murder your family because they're convinced your lying and know where you live so you constantly have to move and try to hide your whereabouts. https://apnews.com/article/shootings-school-connecticut-alex...

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The crime was defamation and there was an entire court case about it which was upheld on appeal. Alex got his day(s) in court and he lost and now is in the finding out phase of fucking around. The people who harassed these families did so only because of the lies perpetuated by Alex Jones. He knew this to be the case and doubled and tripled down on it.

If I figured out who you were, told millions of people your name, where you lived, and lies about how you did something horrible and they started harassing and threatening you would you actually just think I'm exercising my free speech right just because I never sent those threats myself?

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Post by mrguyorama »

lettergram wrote: post #236
pineaux wrote: post #162

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This is correct. People should split intent and outcome. So for example: you going to prison is a punishment. Your wife leaving you because of it, is not part of the punishment, that is an outcome, but it is not an outcome that is intended. The same here. There are damaged to be payed to the victims of alex' Jones heinous lies that have provably made the lives of people that were already victims so much worse. The ju…

> Jones didn't turn up for court and had contempt for the court by ignoring direct orders they probably punished him by making the sum very high. Just fyi he did, the court kept claiming he had to produce documents / analytics he said he didn’t have. There’s no evidence the documents ever existed, but judge disagreed, so they issued a default judgement (ie no trial). https://www.npr.org/2021/11/15/1055864452/alex-jon…

>the court kept claiming he had to produce documents / analytics he said he didn’t have

Which his lawyer then mistakenly sent to the Plaintiff's lawyer, so, they did have them.

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Post by maeil »

impossiblefork wrote: post #454
pavlov wrote: post #368

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Why should the system accommodate people who refuse to defend themselves? I understand that in a system like Russia where dissidents face made-up charges and their attorneys are harassed by the state. But Alex Jones isn’t in that kind of position at all. He has no problem getting legal representation. The default judgment basically means he admitted guilt by his refusal. That was his choice.

Because such a system creates absurdities. There are always going to be crazy people and a system must be able to deal with them.

This is dealing with them. It's just not dealing with them in a way that you like.

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Post by mintplant »

hbn wrote: post #188

Jones seems like a nut, but the way he's being taken to the cleaners and sued for comical amounts of money are just absurd. I'm not being hyperbolic saying people would be less mad at him if he had done the shooting himself. And it's especially rich in a time where the most popular podcast genre is women commenting on brutal murder cases as they're fresh and being investigated, and throwing out their pet theories abo…

Popping open Podcast Addict, the top 10 podcasts right now are:

1. No Such Thing As A Fish; 2. My Brother, My Brother And Me; 3. Planet Money; 4. Revolutions; 5. 99% Invisible; 6. Stuff You Should Know; 7. The Adventure Zone; 8. This American Life; 9. Freakinomics Radio; 10. The Rest Is History

I had to scroll to #32 to find Casefile which sorta fits your criteria, except it's hosted by a dude and I think he generally discusses older cases.

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