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Wow, way to put a bunch of words in my mouth. Actually, what I am saying is that nature is not always nice or civilized. When you get a bunch of drunk males into a room, their super ego goes down and they will begin to behave (almost literally) like animals. Is it right or wrong? I don't know, but it is not sexism. Is it to be expected? Yes. How do I know it is to be expected? Because you can easily replicate the sit…
> it is the way nature made us What utter bullshit. I've been in plenty of bars, while drunk, and never felt the need to sexually harass anyone. You're just excusing sexist, asshole behaviour.
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Wow, way to put a bunch of words in my mouth. Actually, what I am saying is that nature is not always nice or civilized. When you get a bunch of drunk males into a room, their super ego goes down and they will begin to behave (almost literally) like animals. Is it right or wrong? I don't know, but it is not sexism. Is it to be expected? Yes. How do I know it is to be expected? Because you can easily replicate the sit…
Upvoted you to counter-act the "college P.C." brigade.
Downvoted you to enact the "consider an idea for what it's worth and not react to your perception of who wrote it while desperately attempting to preserve your prejudices" agenda.
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#93Maybe the title is link bait, but I don't think this is "sexism" by definition. Sexism: "Prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex." A bunch of males were hitting on the author, crassly or awkwardly, but they were not denying the author equal rights. If a female asked a male to show their privates, no one would call it "sexism"; it might be rude, uncalled for, or strange…
> Males are sexual
So are females. Go to a club where males are stripping for women and you'll see women doing things that would get a man kicked out of a titty bar.
Thinking otherwise is 19th Century nonsense. Go back to Ancient Greece and you find the play Lysistrata, where the entire point was that women were so ruled by their sexuality that the very idea of them withholding sex was absurd.
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#94The recent rash of articles on HN re: sexism leaves me feeling hopeful that our industry is inching closer to being a place were women feel welcome. I would love to see men handing out these cards too.
> I would love to see men handing out these cards too.
I would love to see men being able to hand these cards to women without being ridiculed.
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#95More women complaining about how the world isn't tailored to their every want and need, and they get all the sympathy in the world in spite of how plain whiny they're being. On the other end of the spectrum, I invite you to read this article, written by a woman, on how funny male rape is: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2129385/Exhausted-ma... I don't know much about Defcon, but I get the idea that the person…
I fucking hate how openly misogynistic HN is. I don't even want to bother sifting through this shit anymore. s/women/black people/g s/attending/going to elite, white-only colleges/g
If you are implying that the grandparent post is misogynistic, it is not. The commenter shows no apathy towards women (as a general sex) - he does however pick on an individual (who happens to be female), but not because of her sex; rather, because she comes off as "whiny"; I suspect the commenter might write the same about a male.
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#96Prediction: The sexism in IT problem will never end. Here's my hypothesis: 1. Women and men are different. We see this played out all around us, all the time, both sides happily make and laugh at jokes about it, and no one has a problem acknowledging this fact during discussion of other topics, but when certain subjects are being discussed, these very same people will assure you, with total sincerity, that there is n…
> There is something about IT that either appeals especially to males, or males are particularly skilled at. I have no idea why. Really? You have no idea? You don't think it might possibly have something to do with sexism in society and in IT culture? From early childhood, girls are taught that the ought to be interested in princesses, dolls, and playing house, while boys are taught that they ought to be interested i…
> Boys get to play with LEGOs without the stigma.
But a boy who plays with a Barbie gets the shit beaten out of him. Possibly even by his own parents.
> while boys who behave the same way are praised for being "assertive".
... and develop stress-related problems at a higher rate, and die years younger than women.
Everything cuts both ways. Everything.
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#97The way to reduce this type of sexism and increase understanding is through more interaction, and not less.
Yellow and red cards may achieve segregation, but they'll also introduce fear into the mix. A man who receives one of these cards, for whatever reason, will think twice before he talks to a girl at a conference again, just as a girl who has been grabbed once at Defcon thinks twice before ever going to Defcon again.
People deal with fear and stress in funny ways. Adding one more layer of fear in a society that is already a little too afraid of the opposite sex will only backfire more in some other way.
Men who grab women do so because they're afraid to talk to them. Similarly, every time a guy says "hello" to an overly paranoid girl, she'll think that he wants to get in her pants.
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Deep down, every man want two things: food and sex (akin to Freud's "id"). When you have enough drinks in you, your control/moral mechanisms get toned down (your ego and super ego) This is terrible and a disgusting position to take. I am quite capable of going to a bar, drinking like a teenager, and managing to go home, all without sexually harassing or assaulting anyone. You're attempting to justify awful behaviour…
> If you, or any of your friends, are incapable of appearing in public without [flirting, hitting on and/or touching] another person, the problem very much does not lie with the person on the receiving end. [... Wait what?] Adjusted that for you to illustrate a different perspective.
Sigh. You are deliberately obtuse, aren’t you?
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#99More women complaining about how the world isn't tailored to their every want and need, and they get all the sympathy in the world in spite of how plain whiny they're being. On the other end of the spectrum, I invite you to read this article, written by a woman, on how funny male rape is: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2129385/Exhausted-ma... I don't know much about Defcon, but I get the idea that the person…
I fucking hate how openly misogynistic HN is. I don't even want to bother sifting through this shit anymore. s/women/black people/g s/attending/going to elite, white-only colleges/g
I'm not a fan of "what did you expect?" as an argument either, but such an argument isn't misogynistic. Perhaps ignorant.
If you're sick of HN, have some fun and waste some time here: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2008/04/open-le...
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Upvoted you to counter-act the "college P.C." brigade.
Downvoted you to enact the "consider an idea for what it's worth and not react to your perception of who wrote it while desperately attempting to preserve your prejudices" agenda.
Downvoted you for being a rude asshole.