Statement from The Onion (via CEO Ben Collins): https://bsky.app/profile/bencollins.bsky.social/post/3lcyypa...
And here's the statement from Jones: https://x.com/realalexjones/status/1866752494317003142
Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion
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the problem with vigilanate justice is not that it doesn’t work, it’s very effective. The problem is that the vigilante might not have the right version of justice
Kinda yeah. The problem is when you allow for vigilante justice, it can easily also turn against you at some point.
Someone one day might decide that your mom/dad broke law and evaded justice and it's therefore OK to un-alive them because the court system failed.
Which is why countries where vigilante justice is common are significantly more dangerous and worse to live in than where it's not.
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#163Jones seems like a nut, but the way he's being taken to the cleaners and sued for comical amounts of money are just absurd. I'm not being hyperbolic saying people would be less mad at him if he had done the shooting himself.
And it's especially rich in a time where the most popular podcast genre is women commenting on brutal murder cases as they're fresh and being investigated, and throwing out their pet theories about real living people being responsible. What's the difference?
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#164This is probably the correct decision. Alex Jones's vitamin company offered 2x more cash, and in the case of a bankruptcy, cash completely trumps any notion of "giving up debt." Especially when the debt being settled is astronomically large and you are giving up a very small portion of it ($7 million out of $1.5 billion). The other creditors are far better off getting more cash, and those $7 million of claims are wor…
it's fraud, Jones' parents own the vitamin company
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the problem with vigilanate justice is not that it doesn’t work, it’s very effective. The problem is that the vigilante might not have the right version of justice
A worked example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Years_of_Lead_(Italy)
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> mere defamation I think what Alex Jones did is more than mere defamation. Repeatedly lying about the reality of a school mass shooting, over years, in such a way that he caused threats to be made against the families of victims? Incitement to credible threats of violence, and especially continuing to do so even after you're aware that's what your listeners are doing, deserves severe consequences.
>Incitement to credible threats of violence
Incitement means means explicitly encouraging. Just because someone people made threats of violence to the families because they believed what Alex Jones said about the shootings, doesn't mean that saying "The shootings were faked" is incitement. If Jones had explicitly said "the families deserve to suffer violent consequences for helping fake the shootings", that would be incitement.
That's why he wasn't convicted of incitement, he was convicted of defamation.
Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion
#167This is probably the correct decision. Alex Jones's vitamin company offered 2x more cash, and in the case of a bankruptcy, cash completely trumps any notion of "giving up debt." Especially when the debt being settled is astronomically large and you are giving up a very small portion of it ($7 million out of $1.5 billion). The other creditors are far better off getting more cash, and those $7 million of claims are wor…
How is it the correct decision that Alex Jones has a judgment against him for more money than he claims to have, but also Alex Jones has enough money to enter a bid to satisfy the judgement? It’s a farce.
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#168It is clear that Jones and his relatives have moved money and assets around in order to shield them from the verdict. Now, money that should have been already given to the victims is being used to steal back the megaphone that caused harmed in the first place. The end effect will probably be even more subscribers and money for Jones which he will use with even less restraint since he knows there are no consequences.…
>money for Jones which he will use with even less restraint since he knows there are no consequences He was fined over a billion dollars, in what world is losing a billion dollars no consequences?
He wasn't fined. He had a judgement for damages against him. They are different things with a similar outcome (he's out a billion dollars) - accuracy is important.
Also - until he actually pays any of that billion dollars, there have been no consequences.
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This is a lie. Hiding assets is trivially easy. You just shouldn't hide them by literally hiding them or not telling about them. Selling the assets for almost free to a different organisation just before you go get your bankrupty is the way to go.
If it is legal and done in plain sight, then it is not "hiding" by definition.
If it were illegal, the court and the lawyers representing parents would have done something about the fact of the sale.
Hide: "put or keep out of sight; conceal from the view or notice of others."
The fact is that most of complainers here would be laughed out of the bancruptcy court, yourself included.
Selling assets for nothing before bancruptcy is legal, but will almost certainly be scrutinized by the court. The court has a broad power to collect the proceeds, sue the purchaser for the difference from the market value, and take additional steps to recover assets.
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#170Jones seems like a nut, but the way he's being taken to the cleaners and sued for comical amounts of money are just absurd. I'm not being hyperbolic saying people would be less mad at him if he had done the shooting himself. And it's especially rich in a time where the most popular podcast genre is women commenting on brutal murder cases as they're fresh and being investigated, and throwing out their pet theories abo…
As a CT native, you'll never coax an ounce of sympathy for Jones from me. He made his bed, doubled down, and faced justice. The system worked at least one time.