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Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Bankruptcy is not a punishment, neither is having to pay damages. His business wasn't about the exercise of first amendment rights, it was about selling supplements and whatnot.

It's a pretty large punishment.

You cause a lot of damage, you get a lot of punishment.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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What he did was beyond mere defamation. It was heinous, it was blatant and deliberate dishonesty, and targeted vulnerable victims. Repeating the verifiable lie that the Sandy Hook incident did not happen, and promoting violence against the surviving families, despite repeated opportunities to stop without penalty, is beyond forgivable. And this penalty is because he declined to defend this behavior. Remember, it's a…

Calling what Alex Jones has done (repeatedly, for quite a while) “dishonesty” is a bit like calling the Ukrainian war “special operation”.

Targeted harassment, defamation, libel, intimidation? Sure. Dishonesty, however, doesn’t seem to even remotely cut it.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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It is clear that Jones and his relatives have moved money and assets around in order to shield them from the verdict. Now, money that should have been already given to the victims is being used to steal back the megaphone that caused harmed in the first place. The end effect will probably be even more subscribers and money for Jones which he will use with even less restraint since he knows there are no consequences.…

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the problem with vigilanate justice is not that it doesn’t work, it’s very effective.

The problem is that the vigilante might not have the right version of justice

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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It is clear that Jones and his relatives have moved money and assets around in order to shield them from the verdict. Now, money that should have been already given to the victims is being used to steal back the megaphone that caused harmed in the first place. The end effect will probably be even more subscribers and money for Jones which he will use with even less restraint since he knows there are no consequences.…

>money for Jones which he will use with even less restraint since he knows there are no consequences

He was fined over a billion dollars, in what world is losing a billion dollars no consequences?

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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It's a pretty large punishment.

You cause a lot of damage, you get a lot of punishment.

Actually generally for emotional damage you don't. In the US you're perfectly free to insult someone and hurt their feelings without being liable to pay them damages.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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What he did was beyond mere defamation. It was heinous, it was blatant and deliberate dishonesty, and targeted vulnerable victims. Repeating the verifiable lie that the Sandy Hook incident did not happen, and promoting violence against the surviving families, despite repeated opportunities to stop without penalty, is beyond forgivable. And this penalty is because he declined to defend this behavior. Remember, it's a…

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Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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It is clear that Jones and his relatives have moved money and assets around in order to shield them from the verdict. Now, money that should have been already given to the victims is being used to steal back the megaphone that caused harmed in the first place. The end effect will probably be even more subscribers and money for Jones which he will use with even less restraint since he knows there are no consequences.…

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This is a lie. Hiding assets is trivially easy. You just shouldn't hide them by literally hiding them or not telling about them. Selling the assets for almost free to a different organisation just before you go get your bankrupty is the way to go.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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It is clear that Jones and his relatives have moved money and assets around in order to shield them from the verdict. Now, money that should have been already given to the victims is being used to steal back the megaphone that caused harmed in the first place. The end effect will probably be even more subscribers and money for Jones which he will use with even less restraint since he knows there are no consequences.…

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It’s being done right out in the open by having his parents “own” his vitamin business, which is now bidding for InfoWars. This is one of the big problems with how the court is handling this case.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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I believe officially the vitamin company is owned by his parents and isn't included in the judgement against Alex Jones.

How is that not fraud?

It is. IIRC he started shuffling assets only after the legal consequences got real. But the legal system is moving slowly. And the victims may get tired of chasing his assets

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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This is probably the correct decision. Alex Jones's vitamin company offered 2x more cash, and in the case of a bankruptcy, cash completely trumps any notion of "giving up debt." Especially when the debt being settled is astronomically large and you are giving up a very small portion of it ($7 million out of $1.5 billion). The other creditors are far better off getting more cash, and those $7 million of claims are wor…

I read the details of the auction out of interest. I think it is valid, and in the best interests of the creditors as it currently stands. Interested to see how others have read into it that they offered "more". It was a blind auction and the result is clearly in the best interests of the creditors to take the onion deal.
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