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Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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> This is dangerously close to making the penalty the loss of his first amendment rights. It’s fascinating (and worrying) how the people who cry the loudest about the first amendment are the ones who least understand it. The right to free speech doesn’t mean you can say literally anything without consequences. If you’re a deliberate liar who provably lies to profit and harm others, you can and should be punished. I’m…

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Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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This is probably the correct decision. Alex Jones's vitamin company offered 2x more cash, and in the case of a bankruptcy, cash completely trumps any notion of "giving up debt." Especially when the debt being settled is astronomically large and you are giving up a very small portion of it ($7 million out of $1.5 billion). The other creditors are far better off getting more cash, and those $7 million of claims are wor…

>2x more cash

But because the largest creditor has a claim that is so much larger, the minority creditors will actually get less cash with the vitamin company offer.

The deal was structured so that the minority creditors would get more cash than from any other offer.

The only creditor that would get less cash from this offer is the sandy hook families and they are fine with that.

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It is pure bullshit is what it is.

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To bankrupt someone who exploited the families of a horrific crime to enrich himself. Not a pretend bankruptcy after most of the real assets have been shuffled off the board ahead of sentencing.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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I believe officially the vitamin company is owned by his parents and isn't included in the judgement against Alex Jones.

How is that not fraud?

It's certainly mafia type of behavior. Now Jones has learned the lesson that as long as he doesn't directly own anything, he is effectively defamation proof. It's almost like an inverse RICO case, he does all the crime whole holding none of the money vs a mob boss rolling in dough while never directly committing the crimes.

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the problem with vigilanate justice is not that it doesn’t work, it’s very effective. The problem is that the vigilante might not have the right version of justice

Kinda yeah. The problem is when you allow for vigilante justice, it can easily also turn against you at some point.

Someone one day might decide that your mom/dad broke law and evaded justice and it's therefore OK to un-alive them because the court system failed.

Which is why countries where vigilante justice is common are significantly more dangerous and worse to live in than where it's not.

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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Jones seems like a nut, but the way he's being taken to the cleaners and sued for comical amounts of money are just absurd. I'm not being hyperbolic saying people would be less mad at him if he had done the shooting himself.

And it's especially rich in a time where the most popular podcast genre is women commenting on brutal murder cases as they're fresh and being investigated, and throwing out their pet theories about real living people being responsible. What's the difference?

Re: Bankruptcy judge rejects sale of Infowars to The Onion

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This is probably the correct decision. Alex Jones's vitamin company offered 2x more cash, and in the case of a bankruptcy, cash completely trumps any notion of "giving up debt." Especially when the debt being settled is astronomically large and you are giving up a very small portion of it ($7 million out of $1.5 billion). The other creditors are far better off getting more cash, and those $7 million of claims are wor…

it's fraud, Jones' parents own the vitamin company

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the problem with vigilanate justice is not that it doesn’t work, it’s very effective. The problem is that the vigilante might not have the right version of justice

A worked example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Years_of_Lead_(Italy)
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