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Post by antirez »

collingreen wrote: post #207
antirez wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how can I trust "Redis Inc." will not decide another small change which does not affect me Good point: the key is that, starting from now, Redis Inc. should make small changes that positively affect you.

Is this snarky or real? If real, how would this work? If snarky, then :(

Absolutely real: focus on the community, merge things that were now in payed versions of Redis into the core, so that everybody can benefit, contribute positively to the clients space, improve the documentation, and so forth.

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Post by codazoda »

codazoda wrote: post #113
munificent wrote: post #64

> However, during the “writing years” (I’m still writing, by the way), I often returned to coding, as a way to take breaks from intense writing sessions (writing is the only mental activity I found to be a great deal more taxing than coding) This has been my experience too. With both "Game Programming Patterns" and "Crafting Interpreters", writing the code was a joy while writing the prose was hard work. Gratifying,…

Would Game Programming Patterns help someone who wants to build a slot machine? I’ve built a wall mounted machine for my home but I never got the software side done. I think a book could help but most of them cover very different mechanics these days.

Why the down-votes? Are people specifically opposed to gambling or is it something else I said? I'm just wanting to write a hobby slot machine because they fascinate me but the mechanics of a slot machine UI are quite different than a 2D scroller or a 3D game engine.

I do appreciate the author answering. Thank you.

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Post by WorldMaker »

adelmotsjr wrote: post #178
munificent wrote: post #64

> However, during the “writing years” (I’m still writing, by the way), I often returned to coding, as a way to take breaks from intense writing sessions (writing is the only mental activity I found to be a great deal more taxing than coding) This has been my experience too. With both "Game Programming Patterns" and "Crafting Interpreters", writing the code was a joy while writing the prose was hard work. Gratifying,…

Does it have something to do with the ambiguity of our language (english, spanish, _et cetera_) in contrast with formal languages? Like, it would require more mental effort to describe something in the English language, compared to describe an algorithm using language constructs: you know the constructs, and you know your restrictions in the programming language; in the English language, you don't know in advance wha…

Our language centers evolved to build our "natural" languages and our "natural" languages evolved to take the best (most?) use of our language centers. Whether or not it is ambiguity or simplified context or some other "complexity mechanism", if you agree with the Chomsky hierarchy that our "formal" languages are pure subsets of our "natural" languages, then that alone would imply we use only a smaller subset of our language centers when working in "formal" languages.

Though yeah, that does feel awfully reductive as an argument, and leans on a lot of assumptions in Chomsky's theories. I know that there are axes where "formal" languages feel more orthogonal to "natural" languages than "pure subsets". Some parts of "formal" languages to me feel a lot more visual like poetry than linguistic in the same way as prose.

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Post by _acco »

simonw wrote: post #68

For me, the license change upset me mainly for two reasons: 1. Many people had contributed their efforts to the Redis project for free - both in terms of code but also in advocacy, writing tutorials, publishing example code etc - and when they did that it was under the understanding that project would remain under the same open source license. It honestly felt like a betrayal of trust. 2. From a purely selfish point…

AFAIK, the reason for these changes is basically "prevent AWS from eating our business". Is that right?

If so, are these trends harmful to open source? Are we not choosing between:

1. A world where all revenue in OSS infrastructure ultimately flows to a few big platform companies.

2. A world where these carve-outs are commonplace.

Meta's carve-out with Llama is so interesting because it practically calls the big companies out by name. Should there be a similar standard license for open source infrastructure?

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Post by Keyframe »

antirez wrote: post #43
world2vec wrote: post #40

Is Claude really that much better than ChatGPT? I Use ChatGPT Plus on a daily basis and have no complaints but is it worth cancelling it and get one for Claude?

If you find ChatGPT useful, pay just one month of Claude AI and use both. I bet you'll discover that Claude AI can help you a great deal more. If that will be the case, you gained a much better AI assistant. Otherwise it's just 20 bucks... For me the difference is huge.

or maybe through perplexity he can try both (and more)

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Post by doublerabbit »

stochastician wrote: post #123

> At some point my daughter, who is now 12, and is a crucial person in my life, enlightening my days with her intelligence, creativity and love, wanted to visit NYC for her birthday. I know this wasn't the point of the post, but it was the most beautiful thing I've read all week, and really sums up how I feel about my own children. A small aside in a much longer post but incredibly humanizing and wonderful.

I'm not a christmas person. Lights are pretty and I may throw up a piece of tinsel and a reef to make it seasonal but overall not a fan of the holiday.

I went down to the cafeteria today at work and they had school children carol singers. Seven/Eight years old singing Christmas tunes. I have to say it touched me, they were really putting their hearts in to it. The warm innocent spirit of something they believed in.

I then grabbed my styrofoam tasting lunch and then fell back in to my cynical self for the rest of the day. But it's pleasant to keep memory of.

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Post by Suppafly »

simonw wrote: post #68

For me, the license change upset me mainly for two reasons: 1. Many people had contributed their efforts to the Redis project for free - both in terms of code but also in advocacy, writing tutorials, publishing example code etc - and when they did that it was under the understanding that project would remain under the same open source license. It honestly felt like a betrayal of trust. 2. From a purely selfish point…

>there are a number of other high-profile license rug-pulling projects. I'm sad about that.

It also severely sets the industry back every time one of these rug pulls happens and we have to scramble to find a replacement. Sure it might drive some minor innovation, but it also wastes a ton of resources by splitting communities and leading to tons of rewrote just to get back to a place of stability.

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Post by foobarchu »

unethical_ban wrote: post #176
stackskipton wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Problem comes down to, what is cloud provider? My company has a piece of software we will sell you that requires Redis/PostGres. For fee, we also offer hosting of said software. Are we now a service provider? Our software does come with ability to manipulate the data in Redis so do we have open source our entire code base? Would we get stuck in lawyer battle royale? We have resellers coming on board so interface is b…

I agree with your analysis and I sympathize with Redis in some way. It seems to me that it's painfully obvious what a cloud provider is, but that everyone is afraid of what a lawyer could convince a judge in the Eastern District of Texas to think a cloud provider is. The technical definition should be something akin to offering raw R/W connectivity to redis databases for arbitrary purposes. Offering a redis-backed Sa…

Tbh it seems far past time for the OSI to come out with a blessed license with well defined terminology so we can stop watching every large OS project invent their own way of combating AWS/etc

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Post by ac29 »

jart wrote: post #155
crote wrote: post #134

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With open-source software, a license is as much a social contract as it is a legal one. People contribute because they want to be part of a community building something which is beneficial to everyone . Everyone contributes where they can, and in turn takes what they need. Redis Ltd. broke the social contract. They decided that the short-term profitability of the company was more important than the project as a whole…

Open source is a gift economy. Receiving a gift does not form a social contract that entitles you to future gifts. It is not a "rug pull" for someone to stop giving you gifts. The old versions of Redis are yours for all time. No one can take that away from you. In fact, Redis is still giving you gifts to this day, just with a different wrapping. The new license seems perfectly reasonable, given how much companies lik…

If a company's survival is threatened by people using its open-source software, then maybe it shouldn't be open source. Open source software (to me) says I should be able use the software for any purpose, including commercial ones.

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Post by homebrewer »

weinzierl wrote: post #204
openthc wrote: post #188

Another thing that kinds of sucks about this whole "license rug-pull" kind of business is that other teams (like ours) who are publishing open-source software/tools are now suspects too. Folk ask themselves, why contribute to this thing (MIT/GPL licenses) if there some for-profit entity involved? Folk can't take us at face-value (I'd argue demonstrated value) and level (unfounded) accusations at us; because some othe…

"Folk ask themselves, why contribute to this thing (MIT/GPL licenses) if there some for-profit entity involved?" You put MIT or GPL in the same bucket here, but really shouldn't because the difference is all that matters. There is no "rug-pull" as you call it. What happened with Redis is what the BSD license allows and what people should expect to happen. The combination of GPL (or AGPL) with a large enough and diver…

> The combination of GPL (or AGPL) with a large enough and diverse set of contributors who keep their rights in their contributions is a proven way to prevent what happened with Redis.

Also the lack of a CLA (and/or copyright assignment) because many "modern" projects under the GPL ask you to waive your rights away, thus nullifying the license. Do not contribute to them if you have any self-respect.

https://drewdevault.com/2021/04/12/DCO.html

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