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Post by ryukafalz »

BeefySwain wrote: post #130

All the conversations about SSPL seem to go the same way: - Someone complains about the extra restrictions imposed on AWS (lets be real, it's basically just about AWS) - People point out that SSPL is basically AGPL+, and that for the vast vast majority of people it doesn't make any difference - People counter that the SSPL is written ambiguously/untested in court, and so while it might seem like it's AGPL+ and doesn'…

> Is this conceptually unacceptable, or is it just that the SSPL is poorly executed?

In my opinion it's the latter. There's a minor change you could make to the SSPL that would take it from "practically impossible to comply with" to something that just about anyone building a service with FOSS dependencies could comply with: https://www.terracrypt.net/posts/the-sspl-is-not-a-reasonabl...

Essentially, add EUPL-like license compatibility clauses for dependencies to the SSPL.

I'm not saying this is exactly what we should do to accomplish that goal, but I think it's worth considering, and probably has a reasonable shot at being considered a free software license.

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Post by pydry »

kunley wrote: post #144
crote wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With open-source software, a license is as much a social contract as it is a legal one. People contribute because they want to be part of a community building something which is beneficial to everyone . Everyone contributes where they can, and in turn takes what they need. Redis Ltd. broke the social contract. They decided that the short-term profitability of the company was more important than the project as a whole…

It is really hard to believe that no one defends antirez&co as protecting themselves from greedy overpriced SaaS businesses who were parasiting others hard work. What about them saases breaking a social contract of giving reasonable prices adequate to the effort put into a product (or a wrapper around the product)?

Yeah, this is weird. The one restriction is one you probably dont care about because you're not amazon or azure yet some people still freak out like youve taken their toys away.

Truly odd.

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Post by merb »

BeefySwain wrote: post #130

All the conversations about SSPL seem to go the same way: - Someone complains about the extra restrictions imposed on AWS (lets be real, it's basically just about AWS) - People point out that SSPL is basically AGPL+, and that for the vast vast majority of people it doesn't make any difference - People counter that the SSPL is written ambiguously/untested in court, and so while it might seem like it's AGPL+ and doesn'…

actually the sspl can’t be a fork of the agpl. Because osi and thus the agpl do not discriminate users and this includes cloud providers. A license like the sspl discriminates a certain user base.

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Post by antirez »

mysfi wrote: post #179

Really enjoyed the Salvatore's write up. Two things grabbed my attention: 1. He is also an admirer of the Claude! I can't emphasize this enough but coding has almost always been an isolating state for me. But now, you can feel some support with some intelligence! This is sci-fi! it's much more efficient than Google Search and docs. Not sure about the value added here, but when Salvatore explains how he's using the Ge…

Absolutely, I get any help I can, to do better work.

Trick for the sci-fi story I used. Cut & pasting the text of the story and writing this prompt:

"We are a small publisher, we received this manuscript for a sci-fi short story. We only publish top quality stuff, we don't want any garbage. Please tell us if this story is worth publishing in our high quality series, and what we should reply to the author."

This way it is really sharp and identifying what is lacking. It's like an editor review. Then you go back to work for 2/3 days. And check back to see if your work improved. But the important part here is that many bad things he says you know are true. You needed somebody to tell you, to put more efforts into it.

With programming, while I have some knowledge of math, sometimes for the kind of programming I want to do I need to explore stuff I didn't study or know. And also in this regard Claude has been totally incredible. And so forth.

I also use it to find potetial issues in my desing ideas. Of course if it says something that I don't recognized as a true issue, I just don't care.

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Post by lnxg33k1 »

crote wrote: post #134
antirez wrote: post #82

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"Many people had contributed their efforts to the Redis project for free - both in terms of code but also in advocacy, writing tutorials, publishing example code etc" I can understand that, but the thing about the BSD license is that such value never gets lost. People are able to fork, and after a fork for the original project to still lead will be require to put something more on the table. Inside Redis it was tried…

With open-source software, a license is as much a social contract as it is a legal one. People contribute because they want to be part of a community building something which is beneficial to everyone . Everyone contributes where they can, and in turn takes what they need. Redis Ltd. broke the social contract. They decided that the short-term profitability of the company was more important than the project as a whole…

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Post by orra »

strbean wrote: post #177
PeterZaitsev wrote: post #146

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Perhaps. I've seen people seen/write all kind of stuff when serious money are involved, and I also was offered to just just that on number of occasions. I appreciate your honesty in disclosing what you still have Redis Labs stock, and assuming it is anything reasonable their value at future IPO would be much larger than any cash compensation which you might be getting as the part of the deal. Reality is you did not f…

It's wild to me that the prevailing opinion seems to be "It is only TRUE Open Source if megacorps can modify the software and resell it without sharing their modifications". The hosted vs. distributed loophole is just that, a loophole. If, when the GPL was first published, the world was cloud-hosted and SaaS-ful, the GPL would either have included some provision like the SSPL, or it would have had relatively little i…

> If, when the GPL was first published, the world was cloud-hosted and SaaS-ful, the GPL would either have included some provision like the SSPL, or it would have had relatively little impact on the world.

Well, no on the first one. We know exactly what the GPL looks like to protect users against proprietary network hosted software: the GNU Affero General Public License.

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Post by EternalFury »

I have been an open source contributor since age 24. I am now 53.

I have seen tremendous contributors get nothing in return except the satisfaction of having helped build something of value (which is huge, mind you).

I have seen opportunists fork, relabel projects as cloud services and tremendously profit in the process.

Since I am mo longer young, or naive, and since I have thought about it for quite some time, I must say it would be good to tie a token offering and a royalty scheme to open source projects. I feel contributors should profit in some measure when big corporations profit from their labor.

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Post by openthc »

Another thing that kinds of sucks about this whole "license rug-pull" kind of business is that other teams (like ours) who are publishing open-source software/tools are now suspects too.

Folk ask themselves, why contribute to this thing (MIT/GPL licenses) if there some for-profit entity involved?

Folk can't take us at face-value (I'd argue demonstrated value) and level (unfounded) accusations at us; because some other player did things "dirty".

Well, other folk wanted to pay for support/customisation and in USA you make a for-profit entity to do that. So the corporate part of the open-source project is, nearly, a requirement.

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Post by Veen »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #125
Veen wrote: post #26

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You can use the API and Claude as a private individual. I've been doing so for a couple of years. Edit: Go here and create an account: console.anthropic.com

> You can use the API and Claude as a private individual. I've been doing so for a couple of years. You're using Claude since a "couple of years". You really must be an early adopter ; )

I checked and I got access to the Anthropic Console in April 2023, so not quite 2 years, but not far off.

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Post by scq »

benatkin wrote: post #120
simonw wrote: post #104

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Yes: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press/linux-foundation-launc... > Industry participants, including Amazon Web Services (AWS), Google Cloud, Oracle, Ericsson, and Snap Inc. are supporting Valkey.

Interesting to see Google there. They have LevelDB.

Redis and LevelDB are very different, with different use cases.

LevelDB is a key-value storage library that writes to disk. It's the sort of thing you could use as the storage layer for a relational database.

On the other hand, Redis is an in-memory key-value database server.

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