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Post by lelandfe »

n1b0m wrote: post #865
superfrank wrote: post #420

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I know there are people acting like this is obvious that this is AI, but I get why people wouldn't catch it, even if they know that AI is capable of creating a video like this. A) Most of the give aways are pretty subtle and not what viewers are focused on. Sure, if you look closely the fur blends in with the pavement in some places, but I'm not going to spend 5 minutes investigating every video I see for hints of AI…

I agree. Apart from the text appearing backwards it all looked pretty real to me.

My assumption was the uploader wanted to make the creator's "AIGC" less obvious. It definitely did that to me.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by shortrounddev2 »

sumedh wrote: post #804
azinman2 wrote: post #525

Technically it's amazing that this is possible at all. Yet I don't see how the world is better off for it on net. Aside from eliminating jobs in FX/filming/acting/set design/etc, what do we really gain? Amateur filmmakers can be more powerful? How about we put the same money into a fund for filmmakers to access. The negatives are plentiful, from the mundane reduction of our media to monolithic simulacra to putting th…

> Amateur filmmakers can be more powerful? YouTube turned everyone into broadcasters. Sora could help bring countless untold stories to life, straight from the imagination. > Humans are not built for this power to be in the hands of everyone with low friction. Why is having power concentrated in few hands better?

> Why is having power concentrated in few hands better?

Because most people are dangerous morons. I don't think most people should be allowed to operate a car, let alone the most powerful tool for misinformation that has ever existed

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Post by CamperBob2 »

vunderba wrote: post #223
tom1337 wrote: post #190

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Same goes with DALLE. It was cool to try it the first week or so but now the output is so much worse than Midjourney and stable diffusion. For me it can’t even generate straight lines and everything looks comic-ish.

DALL-E 3 image quality has always been subpar, but its prompt adherence is on par with FLUX. Midjourney has some of the worst prompt adherence, but some of the best image quality.

DALL-E 3 image quality was absolutely amazing... for about 3 days. Then they must have panicked, because after that, everything it emitted included that ridiculous telltale orange/blue tint.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by benchmarkist »

esafak wrote: post #874
benchmarkist wrote: post #733

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I'd be embarrassed if I was a physicists and my name was associated with software that had phantom masses appearing and disappearing into the void.

Why don't you write a paper or start a company to show them the right way to do it?

I don't think there is any real value in making videos other than useless entertainment. The real inspired use of computation and AI is to cure cancer, that would be the right way to show the world that this technology is worthwhile and useful. The techniques involved would be the same because one would need to include real physical constraints like conservation of mass and energy instead of figuring out the best way to flash lights on the screen with no regard for any foundational physical principles.

Do you know anyone or any companies working on that?

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Post by terhechte »

agnishom wrote: post #688
buzzy_hacker wrote: post #466

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Have you checked out Marp? https://marp.app/ Basically it generates slides from markdown, which is great even without LLMs. But you can get LLMs to output in markdown/Marp format and then use Marp to generate the slides. I haven't looked into complicated slides, but works well for text-based ones.

Looks interesting. I am on the hunt for clean tools for producing presentations. I really like Powerpoint, mainly because of their animation and vector editing features. However, I don't want to keep using a proprietary tool.

You could also try Hyperdeck which uses Markdown for slides as well, but supports most of the animation features of Powerpoint as well as MathML and stuff like that (no vector editing though)

http://hyperdeck.io

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Post by CamperBob2 »

shortrounddev2 wrote: post #932
sumedh wrote: post #804

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> Amateur filmmakers can be more powerful? YouTube turned everyone into broadcasters. Sora could help bring countless untold stories to life, straight from the imagination. > Humans are not built for this power to be in the hands of everyone with low friction. Why is having power concentrated in few hands better?

> Why is having power concentrated in few hands better? Because most people are dangerous morons. I don't think most people should be allowed to operate a car, let alone the most powerful tool for misinformation that has ever existed

I mean, you're clearly not wrong, but how do you propose implementing your worldview without doing even more harm to humanity?

The only thing worse than a powerful, dangerous tool in the hands of the masses is a powerful, dangerous tool controlled exclusively by powerful, dangerous people. (Cue the usual moronic analogies involving thermonuclear weapons...)

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Post by jacobr1 »

netdevphoenix wrote: post #867
nihil2501 wrote: post #752

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I'm beginning to write off most images as AI. I actually think that's where this is all headed.

that's the easiest position imo. It's AI unless proven otherwise. No one has the time to place this much detailed on a random video when the purpose of the video is just entertainment. What this might lead to though is people losing (or not learning) the skills needed to separate real content from AI generated content

And even if it isn't AI, it is quite possibly deceptively edited. Content provenance will be important in the future.

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Post by jacobr1 »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #791
superfrank wrote: post #420

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I know there are people acting like this is obvious that this is AI, but I get why people wouldn't catch it, even if they know that AI is capable of creating a video like this. A) Most of the give aways are pretty subtle and not what viewers are focused on. Sure, if you look closely the fur blends in with the pavement in some places, but I'm not going to spend 5 minutes investigating every video I see for hints of AI…

You can see the perspective/angle of the objects changing slightly as the camera moves in a way that makes it pretty obvious they're CG, AI or otherwise. That's always been a problem with AI generated imagery in video/animation; it changes too much frame to frame. If researchers figure out how to address that, yeah, we've got a problem. Until then - this looks worse tha Then there's the usual giveways for CG - sharpn…

Also consider one of of the reasons AI generated video has CG like artifacts is because it is trained on CG video. Better CG generation, and more real video for training will reduce these over time.

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Post by herval »

EternalFury wrote: post #930

Many people say: > these things will get bigger and better much faster than we can learn to discern I would like to ask “Why?” Clearly, these models are just one case of “NN can learn to map anything from one domain to another” and with enough training/overfitting they can approximate reality to a high degree. But, why would it get better to any significant extent? Because we can collect an infinite amount of video?…

> But, why would it get better to any significant extent?

Two years ago, the very best closed-source image model was unable to represent anything remotely realistic. Today, there's hundreds of open source models that can generate images that are literally indistinguishable from reality (like Flux). Not only that, there's an entire collection of tools and techniques around style transfer, facial reconstruction, pose control, etc. It's mindblowing, and every week there's a new paper making it even better. Some of that could have been more training data. Most of it wasn't.

I guess it's fair to extrapolate that same trend to video, since it's the arc text, audio and images have taken? No reason it would be different.

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Post by [deleted] »

r00f wrote: post #623
observationist wrote: post #461

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Funny how all the negative uses to which something like this might be put are regulated or criminalized already - if you try to scam someone, commit libel or defamation, attempt widespread fraud, or any of a million nefarious uses, you'll get fined, sued, or go to jail. Would you want Microsoft to claim they're responsible for the "safety" of what you write with Word? For the legality of the numbers you're punching i…

Well, humans do understand such thing as scale. C4 and nuke are both just explosives, and there are laws in place that prohibit exploding them in the middle of the city. But the laws that regulate storage and access to the nukes and to C4 are different, and there is a very strong reason for that. Censorship is bad, everyone agrees on that. But regulating access to technology that has already proven that it can trick…

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