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Post by planb »

yeknoda wrote: post #9

I've found using these and similar tools that the amount of prompts and iteration required to create my vision (image or video in my mind) is very large and often is not able to create what I had originally wanted. A way to test this is to take a piece of footage or an image which is the ground truth, and test how much prompting and editing it takes to get the same or similar ground truth starting from scratch. It is…

Iterations are the missing link.

With ChatGPT, you can iteratively improve text (e.g., "make it shorter," "mention xyz"). However, for pictures (and video), this functionality is not yet available. If you could prompt iteratively (e.g., "generate a red car in the sunset," "make it a muscle car," "place it on a hill," "show it from the side so the sun shines through the windshield"), the tools would become exponentially more useful.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by FrozenSynapse »

phtrivier wrote: post #799

Not available in France yet, I'd we interested to know if it's a matter of progressive rollout, or some form of legislation (EU or otherwise ?) that's making OpenAI cautious ? Something like the EU AI Act [1] ? In a sane world, any video produced by Sora would be required to have a form of watermarking that's on par with what intellectual property owners require. We've put people in jail for sharing copyrighted movie…

Not gonna happen in EU too soon, imo. It still works with a VPN so the fence is not so protected.

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Post by BoorishBears »

phtrivier wrote: post #799

Not available in France yet, I'd we interested to know if it's a matter of progressive rollout, or some form of legislation (EU or otherwise ?) that's making OpenAI cautious ? Something like the EU AI Act [1] ? In a sane world, any video produced by Sora would be required to have a form of watermarking that's on par with what intellectual property owners require. We've put people in jail for sharing copyrighted movie…

> People would not respect the mandate, and we would consider that illegal, and use the monopoly on force to take money out of their bank account.

Imagine a culture that would harness their frustration at being left out in the direction of innovating on their own.

Defining the status quo on things like watermarks by leading the field and then demonstrating how to act from the front.

Seems like they'd be more effective than one that settles for derision and calling for taxes and rules from the back of the pack, so they can presumably profit off the terrible evil things being built.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by sumedh »

azinman2 wrote: post #525

Technically it's amazing that this is possible at all. Yet I don't see how the world is better off for it on net. Aside from eliminating jobs in FX/filming/acting/set design/etc, what do we really gain? Amateur filmmakers can be more powerful? How about we put the same money into a fund for filmmakers to access. The negatives are plentiful, from the mundane reduction of our media to monolithic simulacra to putting th…

> Amateur filmmakers can be more powerful?

YouTube turned everyone into broadcasters. Sora could help bring countless untold stories to life, straight from the imagination.

> Humans are not built for this power to be in the hands of everyone with low friction.

Why is having power concentrated in few hands better?

Re: Sora is here

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Post by vintermann »

krick wrote: post #795
lelandfe wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw my first AI video that completely fooled commenters: https://imgur.com/a/cbjVKMU This was not marked as AI-generated and commenters were in awe at this fuzzy train, missing the "AIGC" signs. I'm quite nervous for the future.

Looks dope though. But what impressed me recently was some crypto-scam video, featuring "a clip" from Lex Fridman Podcast where Elon Musk "reveals" his new crypto or whatever (sadly, the one I saw is currently deleted). It didn't really look good, they were talking with weird pauses and intonations, and as awkward these 2 normally are, here they were even more unnatural. There was so much audacity to it I laughed out…

> people wouldn't do that, if it didn't work.

You can't assume that with scams. Quite often, scams are themselves sold as a get-rich-quick scheme, which like all GRQ schemes, they wouldn't be if they worked well.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by zuminator »

telenardo wrote: post #762

For those curious (and still locked out) here’s direct a comparison of Sora vs. the open-source leaders (HunyuanVideo, Mochi and LTX): https://app.checkbin.dev/snapshots/1f0f3ce3-6a30-4c1a-870e-2... Pros: - Some of the Sora results are absolutely stunning. Check out the detail on the lion, for example! - The landscapes and aerial shots are absolutely incredible. - Quality is much better than Mochi & LTX out of the bo…

Hunyuan was more realistic but lower quality than Sora, shorter videos with lower resolution or bitrate. The downside to Sora's sharpness is that it makes mistakes more apparent. Also funny that Sora didn't understand the rolling dunes metaphor.

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Post by matwood »

lelandfe wrote: post #285
pen2l wrote: post #80

Every day that passes I grow fonder of Google's decision to delay or otherwise keep a lot of this under the wraps. The other day I was scrolling down on YouTube shorts and a couple videos invoked an uncanny valley response from me (I think it was a clip of an unrealistically large snake covering some hut) which was somehow fascinating and strange and captivating, and then scrolling down a few more, again I saw someth…

I saw my first AI video that completely fooled commenters: https://imgur.com/a/cbjVKMU This was not marked as AI-generated and commenters were in awe at this fuzzy train, missing the "AIGC" signs. I'm quite nervous for the future.

The bigger problem is that people think something this ridiculous could happen.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by phtrivier »

BoorishBears wrote: post #803
phtrivier wrote: post #799

Not available in France yet, I'd we interested to know if it's a matter of progressive rollout, or some form of legislation (EU or otherwise ?) that's making OpenAI cautious ? Something like the EU AI Act [1] ? In a sane world, any video produced by Sora would be required to have a form of watermarking that's on par with what intellectual property owners require. We've put people in jail for sharing copyrighted movie…

> People would not respect the mandate, and we would consider that illegal, and use the monopoly on force to take money out of their bank account. Imagine a culture that would harness their frustration at being left out in the direction of innovating on their own. Defining the status quo on things like watermarks by leading the field and then demonstrating how to act from the front. Seems like they'd be more effectiv…

That's going to sound luddite and backwards, but to be completely honest, I'm not 100% "frustrated" about being "left out" from "far west"-style AI image generation.

At this point, really, I can think of exactly two use cases:

* cheaply producing ads

* cheaply producing fake news

And it's terrifying, and the people jumping in the bandwagon are scaring me.

There is this quote in "13 days" [1] where people are discussing the Cuban missile crises, and, while everyone is gladly / obliviously preparing for the upcoming nuclear holocaust, one gray-haired diplomat raises his hand and says "One of us in the room should be a coward" before asking for a more prudent option.

Maybe it's the age old tension between the "new world" racing forward and the "old world" hitting the brakes. Not necessarily a bad dynamic in the long run. [2]

Feel free to call me, and the whole block I live in, "coward" on this front.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteen_Days_(film)

[2] https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/French_address_on_Iraq_at_the...

Re: Sora is here

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Post by matwood »

lacoolj wrote: post #235

A little worried how young children watching these videos may develop inaccurate impressions of physics in nature. For instance, that ladybug looks pretty natural, but there's a little glitch in there that an unwitting observer, who's never seen a ladybug move before, may mistake as being normal. And maybe it is! And maybe it isn't? The sailing ship - are those water movements correct? The sinking of the elephant int…

Video games and movies have existed for a long time. I think children today will end up being more discerning than us because they will grow up sifting through AI generated content.
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