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Post by imiric »

KeplerBoy wrote: post #902
pier25 wrote: post #469

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I wish Google would allow me to remove the AI stuff from search results. 99% of the times it's either useless or wrong.

Nobody has any clue what is AI stuff these days. Apart from the obvious ones, no one can tell a generative AI apart from 3D rendered stuff or low-res photos. Put image compression on top and it's definitely impossible.

I wonder what the outcome will be when new models are trained on AI-generated data. These companies are already running out of quality training data. So when most of the data on the internet is synthetic, will they find ways of separating the signal from the noise, or will all the noise lead to a convergence of performance across all models to something that is much inferior than what we have today?

This tech will make the internet even more unbearable to use, without mentioning its huge potential for abuse. This is far worse than whatever positives it might have, which are still unclear. What a shitshow.

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Post by KeplerBoy »

pier25 wrote: post #910
KeplerBoy wrote: post #902

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Nobody has any clue what is AI stuff these days. Apart from the obvious ones, no one can tell a generative AI apart from 3D rendered stuff or low-res photos. Put image compression on top and it's definitely impossible.

I meant the bit of AI that Google adds on top the actual search results.

Ah sure, that stuff is just annyoing. I don't need a - probably wrong - summary of the top hit either.

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Post by echelon »

solfox wrote: post #879
underdeserver wrote: post #872

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I think as these things will get bigger and better much faster than we can learn to discern.

With zero doubt. Faster than we expect. And yet, it's nice that we are learning to distrust what we see before the "real real" stuff comes out.

Open source has already caught up with SOTA:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1hav4z3/op...

These are even unfair comparisons because they're leveraging text-to-video instead of the more powerful image-to-video. In the latter case, the results are indistinguishable.

Video generation is about to be everywhere, and we're about to have the "Stable Diffusion" moment for video.

Look at the comments: people are already fawning over open source being uncensored.

Cat's out of the bag.

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Post by dagmx »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #875
dagmx wrote: post #636

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Yep I’ve had that happen many times , where people assume my work is real and the practical is CG. Worse, directors often lie about what’s practical and we’ll have replaced it with CG. So people online will cheer the “practicals” as being better visually, while not knowing what they’re even looking at. I’ve seen interviews with actors even where they talk about how they look in a given shot or have done something, an…

But films without CG are clearly superior and it’s not even in contention. Lawrence of Arabia or Cleopatra alone have incredible fully live shot special effects which can not be easily replicated with CG and have aged like fine wine, unlike the trash early CG of the 80s and 90s which ruined otherwise great films like the last starfighter

I’m sorry, but you make an absurd argument.

You’re taking the best films of an era and comparing them to an arbitrary list of movies you don’t like? Adding to that, you’re comparing it to films in the infancy of a technology?

This is peak confusion of causality and correlation. There are tons of great films in that time frame with CG. Unless you’re going to argue that Jurassic Park is bad.

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Post by NoNotTheDuo »

Their example videos: https://openai.com/sora/, of the doors opening, are hilarious.

1. The first set of doors doesn't have any doorknobs or handles. https://ibb.co/PwqfzBq

2. The second set of doors has handles, and some very large/random hinges on the left door. https://ibb.co/JkDtc6r

3. The third set doesn't have any handles, but I can forgive that, because we're in a spaceship now. The problem is that the inside of the doors seem to have windows, but the outside of the doors, doesn't have any windows. https://ibb.co/nwpXmtq & https://ibb.co/wr6v2g1

4. The best/most hilarious part for me. The doors have handles, but they are on the hinge side of the door. No idea how this would work. https://ibb.co/gWXDcfr

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Post by hmmm-i-wonder »

xvector wrote: post #685
bcye wrote: post #654

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This is quite an exaggeration. Afaik there has been only a single GDPR fine over 1 billion € (Meta) and for some reason Apple seems to manage just fine (with GDPR).

> for some reason Apple seems to manage just fine (with GDPR). Just fine? Like the EU forcing Apple to pay $14B in back taxes after voiding a legal and consensual tax agreement between Apple and Ireland? [1] Or the DMA resulting in an absurd $2B fine related to music streaming, in a transparent attempt to prop up Spotify (the dominant market leader in this space)? Both of these in the last couple of months alone? It'…

>> for some reason Apple seems to manage just fine (with GDPR).

Nice bait and switch since your examples have nothing to do with GDPR.

Still Apple is doing just fine despite your examples.

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Post by dagmx »

qingcharles wrote: post #784
dagmx wrote: post #297

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Most people have terrible eyes for distinguishing content. I’ve worked in CG for many years and despite the online nerd fests that decry CG imagery in films, 99% of those people can’t tell what’s CG or not unless it’s incredibly obvious. It’s the same for GenAI, though I think there are more tells. Still, most people cannot tell reality from fiction. If you just tell them it’s real, they’ll most likely believe it.

The worst bit about working in CG, or film-making in general, is finding it harder to enjoy films because you are hypersensitized to bad work.

Yeah, totally. It’s not even just bad work, but I’m constantly breaking down shots as I’m watching them.

Especially because I’ve done both on set and virtual production, it’s hard to suspend disbelief in a lot of films.

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Post by dagmx »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #855
circlefavshape wrote: post #825

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> Still, most people cannot tell reality from fiction. If you just tell them it’s real, they’ll most likely believe it. This goes for conversation too! My neighbour recently told me about a mutual neighbour who walks 200 miles per day working on his farm. When I explained that this is impossible he said "I'll have to disagree with you there"

That's a cultural issue that seems to have developed in the past years (decades? idk), where people take their own opinion (or what they think is their own opinion) as unchallengeable gospel. In my opinion anyway, I'm gonna have to disagree with any counterpoints in advance.

This is partially the result of being taught that every opinion is valid. What was taught as a nicety (don’t dismiss other people’s opinions was the intention) has evolved into all opinions are equal.

If all opinions are equal, and we’ve reinforced that you can find anything to strengthen an opinion, then facts don’t actually matter.

But I don’t think it’s actually all that recent. History is full of people saying that facts or logic don’t matter. The Americas were “discovered” by such a phenomenon.

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Post by shermantanktop »

FranzFerdiNaN wrote: post #779
shermantanktop wrote: post #566

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I can't upvote this enough. This topic in the media space has generated a huge amount of naive speculation that amounts to "how hard could it be to do thing i know nothing about >?"

> "how hard could it be to do ?" This is most Hacker News comments summarized lmao. It's kinda my favorite thing of this place: just open any thread and you immediately see so many people rushing to say ''well just do X or Y'' or ''actually it's X or Y and not Z like the experts claim''. Love it.

In this case, it’s movies and TV, which most people enjoy. So there’s a superficial accessibility to the problem which encourages this attitude.

Of course, HN being the place that it is, the same type of comments are made about quantum entanglement and solar panel efficiency.

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Post by peab »

lelandfe wrote: post #285
pen2l wrote: post #80

Every day that passes I grow fonder of Google's decision to delay or otherwise keep a lot of this under the wraps. The other day I was scrolling down on YouTube shorts and a couple videos invoked an uncanny valley response from me (I think it was a clip of an unrealistically large snake covering some hut) which was somehow fascinating and strange and captivating, and then scrolling down a few more, again I saw someth…

I saw my first AI video that completely fooled commenters: https://imgur.com/a/cbjVKMU This was not marked as AI-generated and commenters were in awe at this fuzzy train, missing the "AIGC" signs. I'm quite nervous for the future.

Think about this: you very well may have already seen AI videos that fooled you - you wouldn't know if you did.
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