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Post by circlefavshape »

zmgsabst wrote: post #768
TeMPOraL wrote: post #283

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To extend the analogy, imagine the circle as a probability distribution; for simplicity, imagine it's a bivariate normal joint distribution (aka. Gaussian in 3D) + some noise, and you're above it and looking down. When you're commissioning an artist to make you some art, you're basically sampling from the entire distribution. Stuff in the middle is, as you say, easiest to reach, so that's what you'll most likely get.…

A small technical point: Tastes are almost never normally distributed along a spectrum, but multi-modal. So the more dimensions you explore in, the more you end up with “islands of taste” on the surface of a hyper sphere and nothing like the normal distribution at all. This phenomenon is deeply tied to why “design by committee” (eg, in movies) always makes financial estimates happy but flops with audiences — there is…

"Design by committee" is also how most hit movies are made. Hit songs too

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Post by jpc0 »

miohtama wrote: post #562
bayindirh wrote: post #515

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Maybe you should talk with image editor developers, copier/scanner manufacturers and governments about the safeguards they shall implement to prevent counterfeiting money. Because, at the end of the day, counterfeiting money is already illegal. ...and we should not censor tools, and judge people, not the tools they use.

Gimp doesn't have the secret binary blob to "prevent counterfeiting" and there is no flood of forged money https://www.reddit.com/r/GIMP/comments/3c7i55/does_gimp_have...

Gimp makes printers now?

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Post by coffeebeqn »

hipadev23 wrote: post #76
yeknoda wrote: post #9

I've found using these and similar tools that the amount of prompts and iteration required to create my vision (image or video in my mind) is very large and often is not able to create what I had originally wanted. A way to test this is to take a piece of footage or an image which is the ground truth, and test how much prompting and editing it takes to get the same or similar ground truth starting from scratch. It is…

Real artists struggle matching vague descriptions of what is in your head too. This is at least quicker?

With real art you can start from somewhere and keep building on that foundation. Say you pick an angle to shoot from and test different actors and scenes from that angle. With AI you’re re-rolling the dice for every iteration. If you’re happy that it looks 80% correct then sure it’s maybe passable.

I think people are getting way ahead of their skis here. Even in 2D I can’t for example generate inventory images for weapons and items for a game yet. Which is an orders of magnitude simpler test case than video. They all are slightly different styles. If I don’t care that they all look different in strange ways then it’s useful - but any consumer will think it looks like crap

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Post by ivjw »

I was searching recently for a photograph of Arthur Rimbaud in his later years, and noticed that already Google Images was flooded with AI-generated stuff from websites that do not require marking it as such. Authentic material will soon be much harder to find for people who don't know the sources.

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Post by jcutrell »

Not downplaying the amazing progress, but even the video showcases have some weird uncanny valley effects. The winged horse one in particular - the wings and legs morph, the wing on the left disappears and reappears through the tail.

This stuff is a little ways off, but still some amazing effects here. I think it will be a little bit before it is sufficient for production use in any real commercial situation. There's something unsettling about all of the videos generated here.

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Post by CJefferson »

mnau wrote: post #526
makestuff wrote: post #490

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I don't even know if this will be possible, or how it would work, but it seems like the next iteration of social media will be based on some verification that the user is not using AI or is a bot. Currently they are all incentivized to not stop bot activity because it increases user counts, ad revenue, etc. Maybe the model is you have to pay per account to use it, or maybe the model will be something else. I doubt th…

So Musk was right?

No, because Musk encourages AI slop if people are willing to pay.

What we probably need (this is going to sound crazy, but I don’t have a better suggestion), is some kind of networked trust system.

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Post by player1234 »

troupo wrote: post #405
robotresearcher wrote: post #215

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> Long term, you'll never have a coherent movie produced by stringing together a series of textual snippets because, again, that's just impossible. Why snippets? Submit a whole script the way a writer delivers a movie to a director. The (automated) director/DP/editor could maintain internal visual coherence, while the script drives the story coherence.

You should watch how movies are made sometime. How a script is developed. How changes to it are made. How storyboards are created. How actors are screened for roles. How locations are scouted, booked, and changed. How the gazillion of different departments end up affecting how a movie looks, is produced, made, and in which direction it goes (the wardrobe alone, and its availability and deadlines will have a huge impa…

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Post by pixelsort »

JPKab wrote: post #610
cma wrote: post #568

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With a heavy dose of "if masses of people are fooled by this, it can't affect me as long as I can see through it. No possible repercussions of mass people believing completely made up stuff that could affect laws, etc."

This entire thread reeks of "I'm smart enough to know that videos can be faked, but Jethro in the trailer park isn't because he's just a plumber, and therefore this tech needs to be censored or else Jethro might believe stuff that makes him vote in a way I don't like" going on here. While the average person overestimates their own intelligence, the average techy dramatically underestimates the intelligence of the ave…

With respect to the American public, the majority can and do utilize nuanced thinking as a survival skill. The problem of modern American era, is not that our public is low in average intelligence. Rather, that on average, we have been miseducated to seek the eradication of discomfort, uncertainty, inconveniences, and unknowns.

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Post by cess11 »

superfrank wrote: post #420
lelandfe wrote: post #285

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I saw my first AI video that completely fooled commenters: https://imgur.com/a/cbjVKMU This was not marked as AI-generated and commenters were in awe at this fuzzy train, missing the "AIGC" signs. I'm quite nervous for the future.

I know there are people acting like this is obvious that this is AI, but I get why people wouldn't catch it, even if they know that AI is capable of creating a video like this. A) Most of the give aways are pretty subtle and not what viewers are focused on. Sure, if you look closely the fur blends in with the pavement in some places, but I'm not going to spend 5 minutes investigating every video I see for hints of AI…

A precondition is likely that one has mainly watched CGI-heavy movies for most of one's life. Compared to old school analog movies or fairly raw photography that looks as fake as the Coca-Cola Santa. There's a rather obvious lack of detail that real photography would have catched.
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