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Post by talldayo »

xvector wrote: post #685
bcye wrote: post #654

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This is quite an exaggeration. Afaik there has been only a single GDPR fine over 1 billion € (Meta) and for some reason Apple seems to manage just fine (with GDPR).

> for some reason Apple seems to manage just fine (with GDPR). Just fine? Like the EU forcing Apple to pay $14B in back taxes after voiding a legal and consensual tax agreement between Apple and Ireland? [1] Or the DMA resulting in an absurd $2B fine related to music streaming, in a transparent attempt to prop up Spotify (the dominant market leader in this space)? Both of these in the last couple of months alone? It'…

> Like the EU forcing Apple to pay $14B in back taxes after voiding a legal and consensual tax agreement between Apple and Ireland?

They're back taxes. The EU did right by every single law-abiding business when they forced Apple to remediate their unnatural and unfair arrangement. Not a single naturally competitive business suffered as a result of either action. The EU does not suffer economically by weeding out businesses that exploit it to avoid paying taxes, only Apple does.

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Post by esafak »

benchmarkist wrote: post #85
isoprophlex wrote: post #60

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And another thing that irks me: none of these video generators get motion right... Especially anything involving fluid/smoke dynamics, or fast dynamic momements of humans and animals all suffer from the same weird motion artifacts. I can't describe it other than that the fluidity of the movements are completely off. And as all genai video tools I've used are suffering from the same problem, I wonder if this is someho…

Neural networks use smooth manifolds as their underlying inductive bias so in theory it should be possible to incorporate smooth kinematic and Hamiltonian constraints but I am certain no one at OpenAI actually understands enough of the theory to figure out how to do that.

There are physicists at OpenAI. You can verify with a quick search. So someone there clearly knows these things.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by benchmarkist »

esafak wrote: post #732
benchmarkist wrote: post #85

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Neural networks use smooth manifolds as their underlying inductive bias so in theory it should be possible to incorporate smooth kinematic and Hamiltonian constraints but I am certain no one at OpenAI actually understands enough of the theory to figure out how to do that.

There are physicists at OpenAI. You can verify with a quick search. So someone there clearly knows these things.

I'd be embarrassed if I was a physicists and my name was associated with software that had phantom masses appearing and disappearing into the void.

Re: Sora is here

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Post by someothherguyy »

JPKab wrote: post #610
cma wrote: post #568

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With a heavy dose of "if masses of people are fooled by this, it can't affect me as long as I can see through it. No possible repercussions of mass people believing completely made up stuff that could affect laws, etc."

This entire thread reeks of "I'm smart enough to know that videos can be faked, but Jethro in the trailer park isn't because he's just a plumber, and therefore this tech needs to be censored or else Jethro might believe stuff that makes him vote in a way I don't like" going on here. While the average person overestimates their own intelligence, the average techy dramatically underestimates the intelligence of the ave…

Some people aren't very skeptical at baseline, it doesn't mean that those concerned about the ability of others to recognize AI are disparaging people based on intelligence.

For example, some people can be very intelligent, yet not be discerning of information that resonates with prior biases. You see this in those who are devoutly religious, politically polarized, etc.

There is reason to believe that such biases will lend to ontological misinterpretations from algorithmically generated information.

You can see mistakes in interpretation on a day to day basis by the population at large. There are swaths of widely held beliefs that aren't based in truth. Pretty much anyone is likely to believe at least some stereotype, folklore, urban legend, or myth.

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Post by nycdatasci »

“Sora is here”

No it’s not. I’ve been trying to access all day: “Sora account creation is temporarily unavailable We're currently experiencing heavy traffic and have temporarily disabled Sora account creation. If you've never logged into Sora before, please check back again soon.”

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Post by sandwichsphinx »

bronco21016 wrote: post #699
amelius wrote: post #415

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Because we don't have as much data about mundane bullshit.

How do we get it? Serious question. The take makes sense but how do we digitize doing the dishes?

not dishes but the other day I saw this recent papers for clothes

>RoboHanger: Learning Generalizable Robotic Hanger Insertion for Diverse Garments

https://arxiv.org/abs/2412.01083

>To overcome the challenge of limited data, we build our own simulator and create 144 synthetic clothing assets to effectively collect high-quality training data.

the strategy is simulation

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Post by rossjudson »

avree wrote: post #716
rossjudson wrote: post #711

Sora makes movies less interesting, regardless of how they're created. The part made by Sora? About as interesting as the latest chess programs doing well at chess. woohoo/nice job. The overall effect? Now we spend mental energy trying to figure out which parts are machine generated, and hence not worth anything. That mental energy is gone, sucked out of the cultural economy, and fed to the machinery of mediocrity.

Star Wars? Not worth anything, huge reliance on "machine-generated" imagery. Lord of the Rings? Useless film, uses "machine-generated" imagery. Don't even get me started on anything by Pixar. /s

You know what I mean, ChatGPTWhatever. Stay out of human business.

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Post by SamPatt »

runarberg wrote: post #712
sleepybrett wrote: post #449

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This will almost certainly be in theaters within 5 years, probably first as a small experimental project (think blair witch).

The Blair Witch Project was a (surprise) creative masterpiece. It worked with very limited technology to create a very clever plot which was paired with an amazing marketing. The combination of which the world hadn’t seen before. It took some creative geniuses to peace the Blair Witch Project together. Generative AI will never produce an experience like that. I know never is a long time, but I’m still gonna call it.…

It's a tool. The cleverness and artistry comes from the humans, not from the tools they use.

The AI isn't creating the fresh ideas. People are.

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Post by throwaway314155 »

nycdatasci wrote: post #735

“Sora is here” No it’s not. I’ve been trying to access all day: “Sora account creation is temporarily unavailable We're currently experiencing heavy traffic and have temporarily disabled Sora account creation. If you've never logged into Sora before, please check back again soon.”

I finally got access. Generated roughly 15 videos. Quality ranged from okay to very very bad.

I wouldn't get your hopes up - it's not at all as good as they've hyped it.

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