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Post by lelandfe »

ImaCake wrote: post #624
lelandfe wrote: post #285

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I saw my first AI video that completely fooled commenters: https://imgur.com/a/cbjVKMU This was not marked as AI-generated and commenters were in awe at this fuzzy train, missing the "AIGC" signs. I'm quite nervous for the future.

I mean the only real tell for me is how expensive this stunt would be. I personally think this is a really cool use of genAI. But the consequences will be far reaching.

Some of the comments were like, "come on guys, if this was real it would be way dirtier"

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Post by lmm »

Nition wrote: post #695
starshadowx2 wrote: post #309

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The face of the girl on the left at the start in the first second should have been a giveaway.

One thing that's not intuitive to spot but actually completely wrong, is that in the second clip we're apparently inside the train but the train is still rolling under us.

Or, y'know, the camera's moving smoothly backwards through the train? Would be bit of an odd choice (and high-effort to make it that smooth versus someone just carrying it) but not impossible by any means.

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Post by yieldcrv »

jasinjames wrote: post #656
superfrank wrote: post #420

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I know there are people acting like this is obvious that this is AI, but I get why people wouldn't catch it, even if they know that AI is capable of creating a video like this. A) Most of the give aways are pretty subtle and not what viewers are focused on. Sure, if you look closely the fur blends in with the pavement in some places, but I'm not going to spend 5 minutes investigating every video I see for hints of AI…

I agree. Also, tangentially related: I use a black and white filter on my phone, and it is way harder to distinguish fake and real media without the color channels to help. I couldn't immediately find anything in the subway clip which gave it away.

I've definitely seen skin blurring filters that everyone already uses to make it really hard to know

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Post by lmm »

quenix wrote: post #212
pen2l wrote: post #80

Every day that passes I grow fonder of Google's decision to delay or otherwise keep a lot of this under the wraps. The other day I was scrolling down on YouTube shorts and a couple videos invoked an uncanny valley response from me (I think it was a clip of an unrealistically large snake covering some hut) which was somehow fascinating and strange and captivating, and then scrolling down a few more, again I saw someth…

It saddens me. Innovations in AI 'art' generation (music, audio, photo) have been a net negative to society and are already actively harming the Internet and our media sphere. Like I said in another comment, LLMs are cool and useful, but who in the hell asked for AI art? It's good enough to fool people and break the fragile trust relationship we had with online content, but is also extremely shit and carries no meani…

Much of the time I don't want "meaning or depth", I just want a pretty picture of whatever it was. AI art is great, it's just that the people it most benefits are the people you don't see or hear much from (and, rude as this is to say, people who write less convincingly).

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Post by lmm »

rossjudson wrote: post #711

Sora makes movies less interesting, regardless of how they're created. The part made by Sora? About as interesting as the latest chess programs doing well at chess. woohoo/nice job. The overall effect? Now we spend mental energy trying to figure out which parts are machine generated, and hence not worth anything. That mental energy is gone, sucked out of the cultural economy, and fed to the machinery of mediocrity.

Huh? AI chess is much more interesting to watch than human chess.

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Post by paxys »

danpalmer wrote: post #604
laweijfmvo wrote: post #19

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Love the callout of them definitely training on his own videos

...which they shouldn't have been able to get? I had thought that it was against the YouTube ToS? (my personal understanding, unrelated to my employer)

If AI companies respected ToS there would be no AI

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Post by js8 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #283
randomcatuser wrote: post #195

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a somewhat counterintuitive argument is this: AI models will make the overall creative landscape more diverse and interesting, ie, less "average"! Imagine the space of ideas as a circle, with stuff in the middle being more easy to reach (the "cliched average"). Previously, traversing the circle was incredibly hard - we had to use tools like DeviantArt, Instragram, etc to agglomerate the diverse tastes of artists, hop…

To extend the analogy, imagine the circle as a probability distribution; for simplicity, imagine it's a bivariate normal joint distribution (aka. Gaussian in 3D) + some noise, and you're above it and looking down. When you're commissioning an artist to make you some art, you're basically sampling from the entire distribution. Stuff in the middle is, as you say, easiest to reach, so that's what you'll most likely get.…

I read this argument/analogy and the "AI slop will win" idea reminds me of the idea that "fake news will win".

That is based on perception that it is easier than ever to create fake content, but fails to account for the fact that creating real content (for example, simply taking a video) is even much easier. So while there is more fake content, there is also lot more real content, and so manipulation of reality (for example, denying a genocide) is much harder today than ever.

Anyway, "the AI slop will win" is based on a similar misconception, that total creative output will not increase. But like with fake news, it probably will not be the case, and so the actual amount of good art will increase, too.

I think we are OK as long as normal humans prefer to create real news rather than fake news, and create innovative art rather than cliched art.

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Post by dumbfounder »

runarberg wrote: post #712
sleepybrett wrote: post #449

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This will almost certainly be in theaters within 5 years, probably first as a small experimental project (think blair witch).

The Blair Witch Project was a (surprise) creative masterpiece. It worked with very limited technology to create a very clever plot which was paired with an amazing marketing. The combination of which the world hadn’t seen before. It took some creative geniuses to peace the Blair Witch Project together. Generative AI will never produce an experience like that. I know never is a long time, but I’m still gonna call it.…

Why does the idea need to be generated by AI? Let people generate the ideas, the AI will help execute. I think soon (3-5 years) a determined person with no video skills will be able to put together a compelling movie (maybe a short). And that is massive. AI doesn’t have to do everything. Like all tech, it’s a productivity tool.

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Post by 3abiton »

buzzy_hacker wrote: post #466
submeta wrote: post #456

What I desperately need is a model that generates perfectly made PowerPoint slides. I have to create many presentations for management, and it’s a very time consuming task. It’s easy to outline my train of thoughts and let an LLM write the full text, but then to create a convincing presentation slide by slide takes days. I know there is Beautiful.ai or Copilot for PowerPoint, but none of the existing tools really wor…

Have you checked out Marp? https://marp.app/ Basically it generates slides from markdown, which is great even without LLMs. But you can get LLMs to output in markdown/Marp format and then use Marp to generate the slides. I haven't looked into complicated slides, but works well for text-based ones.

Same for Mermaid diagram.
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