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Post by kaszanka »

ssl-3 wrote: post #545
raincole wrote: post #501

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The problem isn't whether we should regulate AI. It's whether it's even possible to regulate them without causing significant turmoil and damage to the society. It's not hyperbole. Hunyuan was released before Sora. So regulating Sora does absolutely nothing unless you can regulate Hunyuan, which is 1) open source and 2) made by a China company. How do we expect the US govt to regulate that? Threatening sanction China…

Easy-peasy. Just require all software to be cryptographically signed, with a trusted chain that leads to a government-vetted author, and make that author responsible for the wrongdoings of that software's users. We're most of the way there with "our" locked-down, walled-garden pocket supercomputers. Just extend that breadth and bring it to the rest of computing using the force of law. --- Can I hear someone saying so…

This is well on its way thanks to Microsoft's aggressive push to put a TPM in every Windows 11 PC.

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Post by fratlas »

agnishom wrote: post #688
buzzy_hacker wrote: post #466

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Have you checked out Marp? https://marp.app/ Basically it generates slides from markdown, which is great even without LLMs. But you can get LLMs to output in markdown/Marp format and then use Marp to generate the slides. I haven't looked into complicated slides, but works well for text-based ones.

Looks interesting. I am on the hunt for clean tools for producing presentations. I really like Powerpoint, mainly because of their animation and vector editing features. However, I don't want to keep using a proprietary tool.

just use a canva template

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Post by darkerside »

lelandfe wrote: post #285
pen2l wrote: post #80

Every day that passes I grow fonder of Google's decision to delay or otherwise keep a lot of this under the wraps. The other day I was scrolling down on YouTube shorts and a couple videos invoked an uncanny valley response from me (I think it was a clip of an unrealistically large snake covering some hut) which was somehow fascinating and strange and captivating, and then scrolling down a few more, again I saw someth…

I saw my first AI video that completely fooled commenters: https://imgur.com/a/cbjVKMU This was not marked as AI-generated and commenters were in awe at this fuzzy train, missing the "AIGC" signs. I'm quite nervous for the future.

People are smart enough to know that what you see in movies isn't real. It will just take a little time for people to realize that now applies to all videos and images.

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Post by 8n4vidtmkvmk »

miltonlost wrote: post #62
yeknoda wrote: post #9

I've found using these and similar tools that the amount of prompts and iteration required to create my vision (image or video in my mind) is very large and often is not able to create what I had originally wanted. A way to test this is to take a piece of footage or an image which is the ground truth, and test how much prompting and editing it takes to get the same or similar ground truth starting from scratch. It is…

The adage "a picture is worth a thousand words" has the nice corollary "A thousand words isn't enough to be precise about an image". Now expand that to movies and games and you can get why this whole generative-AI bubble is going to pop.

Actually, I've gotten some great results with image2text2image with less than a thousand words. Maybe not enough for a video, but for some not too crazy images, it is enough!

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Post by rossjudson »

bwfan123 wrote: post #700
robotresearcher wrote: post #215

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> Long term, you'll never have a coherent movie produced by stringing together a series of textual snippets because, again, that's just impossible. Why snippets? Submit a whole script the way a writer delivers a movie to a director. The (automated) director/DP/editor could maintain internal visual coherence, while the script drives the story coherence.

brilliant take from Ben Affleck on ai in movies.. "movies will be one of the last things to be replaced by ai" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypURoMU3P3U including this quote: "being a craftsman is knowing how to work, art is knowing when to stop"

It is absolutely true that LLMs do not know when to stop.

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Post by exodust »

beeskneecaps wrote: post #596
matco11 wrote: post #521

Forget video. Imagine what this going to do for video-gaming

I actually can't imagine what it will do for video gaming. Maybe enhancing cut-scenes, but then why can't they just do the performance and rendering using the gaming engine in realtime?

Perhaps AI will help with procedural generation of environmental details within a pre-built game world. This way the AI isn't burdened with generating the whole scene, but only the clutter of objects and textures - things that usually take a long time to build by hand.

For example in Train or Truck Simulators, I see examples where someone has put effort into making that farmhouse in the distance nicely detailed, but other times it's just a simple structure. If AI were tasked with "distant details", the whole game could look more polished.

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Post by robotresearcher »

dbspin wrote: post #691
robotresearcher wrote: post #593

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Of course normally other people contribute to a movie after the writer. My comment mentioned three of the important roles. This whole thread is about tech that automates away those roles. That's the whole point.

I think you've misunderstood the objection. Lets pick something concrete. It's a medieval script, it opens with two knights fighting. OK so later in the script we learn their characters, historic counterparts etc. So your LLM can match nefarious villain to some kind of embedding, and doubtless has trained on countless images of a knight. But the result is not naively going to understand the level of reality the scrip…

> but the result is not naively going to understand the level of reality the script is going for…

We can already get detailed style guidance into picture generation. Declaring you want Picasso cubist, Warner brothers cartoon, or hyper realistic works today. So does lighting instructions, color palettes, on and on.

These future models will not be large language models, they will be multi-modal. Large movie models if you like. They will have tons of context about how scenes within movies cohere, just as LLMs do within documents today.

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Post by manquer »

sota_pop wrote: post #680
manquer wrote: post #276

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Billion is table stakes , OpenAI has raised over 6 billion dollars this year alone

Why has “table stakes” become such a popular phrase in the last 12-24 months?

Has it?

It is a gambling term, most VC funded startups are gambles, AI ones particularly so, it felt apt.

perhaps it correlates to a raise in investing that no longer is based on sound fundamentals in both traditional and new age assets(like crypto) perhaps makes people identify more with gambling.

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Post by exodust »

robomartin wrote: post #514

Here's something I find interesting: We have multiple paid accounts with OpenAI. In other words, we are paying customers. I have yet to see a single announcement or new development that we learn about through email. In most cases we learn these things when they get covered by some online outfit, posted on HN, etc. OpenAI isn't the only company that seems to act in this manner. I find this to be interesting. Your payi…

I'd be interested to know how many people around here pay for ChatGPT. Is it common? I would have thought technical people would be choosing AI tools other than chatGPT. So you use it mainly for coding? Or are you chatting with it and doing all those "fun" things?

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Post by [deleted] »

hatefulmoron wrote: post #698
dragonwriter wrote: post #670

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> The clips on the Sora site today would have been utterly astonishing ten years ago. Yeah, and Apollo 11 would have been utterly astonishing a decade before it occurred. And, yet, if you tried to project out from it to what further frontiers manned spaceflight would reach in the following decades, you’d…probably grossly overestimate what actually occurred. > Long term progress can be surprising. Sure, it can be surp…

In the long run we are all dead. Saying that technology will be better in the future is almost eye-roll worthy. The real task is predicting what future technology will be, and when it will arrive. Ask anyone with a chronic illness about the future and they'll tell you we're about 5 years off a cure. They've been saying that for decades. Who knows where the future advancements will be.

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