I can't wait for the safety features because I know there are those in society that would do bad things. But not me, though. I'd like the unlocked version.
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#532Who is the audience for this product? A lot of people like video because it's a way of experience something they currently cannot for one reason or another. People don't want to see arbitrary fake worlds or places on earth that aren't real. Unless it's video game or something. But I see this product being used primarily to trick Facebook users I guess the CGI industry implications are interesting, but look at the wav…
"People don't want to see arbitrary fake worlds or places on earth that aren't real."
What? This is 90% of the Instagram/TikTok experience, and has been for years. No one cares if something is real. They care how it makes them feel.
The audience for this is every "creator" or "influecner". No one cares if the content is fake. They'll sell you a vacation package to a destination that doesn't exist and people will still rate it 3/5 stars for a $15 Starbucks gift card.
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#533> We’re introducing our video generation technology now to give society time to explore its possibilities and co-develop norms and safeguards that ensure it’s used responsibly as the field advances. That's an interesting way of saying "we're probably gonna miss some stuff in our safety tools, so hopefully society picks up the slack for us". :)
The irony is that users want more freedom and fewer safeguards. But these companies are rightfully worried about regulators and legislatures, often led by a pearl-clutching journalists, so we can't have nice things.
Recent events (many events in many places) show "users" don't think too hard before acting. And sometimes they act with inadequate or inaccurate information. If we want better outcomes, it behooves us to hire people to do the thinking that ordinary users see no point in doing for themselves. We call the people doing the hard thinking scientists, regulators, and journalists. The regulators, when empowered to do so by the government, can stop things from happening. The scientists and journalists can just issue warnings.
Giving people what they want when they want it doesn't always lead to happy outcomes. The people themselves, through their representatives, have created the institutions that sometimes put a brake on their worst impulses.
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#534Earlier quoted context omitted.
Users, not tools, should be judged. It is unlikely anyone is going to perform act of terrorism with this, or any kind of deep fakes that buy Easter European elections. The worst outcome is likely teens having a laugh.
> It is unlikely no one is going to perform act of terrorism with this, or any kind of deep fakes that buy Easter European elections. The worst outcome is likely teens having a laugh. And the teens are having a laugh by... creating deepfake nudes of their classmates? The tools are bad, and the toolmakers should feel deep guilt and shame for what they released on the world. Do you not know the story of Nobel and dynam…
Technology is paired with morality. It’s just not the one you want.
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#535I've found using these and similar tools that the amount of prompts and iteration required to create my vision (image or video in my mind) is very large and often is not able to create what I had originally wanted. A way to test this is to take a piece of footage or an image which is the ground truth, and test how much prompting and editing it takes to get the same or similar ground truth starting from scratch. It is…
Free text is just the fundamentally wrong input for precision work like this. Because it is wrong for this doesn’t mean it has NO purpose, it’s still useful and impressive for what it is.
FWIW I too have been quite frustrated iterating with AI to produce a vision that is clear in my head. Past changing the broad strokes, once you start “asking” for specifics, it all goes to shit.
Still, it’s good enough at those broad strokes. If you want your vision to become reality, you either need to learn how to paint (or whatever the medium), or hire a professional, both being tough-but-fair IMO.
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#536Earlier quoted context omitted.
"to give society time to explore its possibilities and co-develop norms and safeguards" Or, "this safety stuff is harder than we thought, we're just going to call 'tag you're it' on society" Or, -Oppenheimer : speaking "man, this nuclear safety stuff is hard, I'm just going to put it all out there and let society explore developing norms and safeguards". -Society : Bombs Japan -Oppenheimer : "No, not like that, oops"…
Eh, society did a pretty good job overall. The bomb was the end of conventional warfare between nuclear nations. MAD has created an era of peace unlike anything our species has ever seen before.
Well it works great, until is doesn't. We're perpetually a few bad decisions from a few possibly deranged actors away from obliterating all of those gains and then some.
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#537Who is the audience for this product? A lot of people like video because it's a way of experience something they currently cannot for one reason or another. People don't want to see arbitrary fake worlds or places on earth that aren't real. Unless it's video game or something. But I see this product being used primarily to trick Facebook users I guess the CGI industry implications are interesting, but look at the wav…
> Who is the audience for this product?
Infants, people just coming out of anesthesia, the concussed, the hypoxic, the mortally febrile and so on
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#538> We’re introducing our video generation technology now to give society time to explore its possibilities and co-develop norms and safeguards that ensure it’s used responsibly as the field advances. That's an interesting way of saying "we're probably gonna miss some stuff in our safety tools, so hopefully society picks up the slack for us". :)
Users, not tools, should be judged. It is unlikely anyone is going to perform act of terrorism with this, or any kind of deep fakes that buy Easter European elections. The worst outcome is likely teens having a laugh.
> or any kind of deep fakes that buy Easter European elections
Finally people do not label Slovakia as Eastern Europe...
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#539Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a huge amount of such stuff in movies. Special effects, weapons physics, unrealistic vehicles and planes, or the classic 'hacking'.
People don't watch The Matrix expecting a documentary on how we all got plugged in. If someone generated the referenced ladybug movie for use in a science classroom, that's a problem.
I agree. The issue is in using it for teaching science though, not in generating it.
Similar to how it's fine to create fiction, but not to claim it to be true.
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#540I've found using these and similar tools that the amount of prompts and iteration required to create my vision (image or video in my mind) is very large and often is not able to create what I had originally wanted. A way to test this is to take a piece of footage or an image which is the ground truth, and test how much prompting and editing it takes to get the same or similar ground truth starting from scratch. It is…
Free text is just the fundamentally wrong input for precision work like this. Because it is wrong for this doesn’t mean it has NO purpose, it’s still useful and impressive for what it is. FWIW I too have been quite frustrated iterating with AI to produce a vision that is clear in my head. Past changing the broad strokes, once you start “asking” for specifics, it all goes to shit. Still, it’s good enough at those broa…
I don't think it'll be long before GUI tools catch up for editing video.
Things like rearranging things in the scene with drag'n'drop sound implementable (although incredibly GPU heavy)