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Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Post by csixty4 »

AlienRobot wrote: post #101
jasode wrote: post #19

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>, I wish Sabine Hossenfelder didn't have to leave academia. [...] I understand that she is catering to the audience but this is one example why alignment of the incentives works. Before, she was earning her living as a working physicist so she did not have to cater to anyone actually But this obscures the fact that she was still "catering to the audience" when working in academia as a paid physicist. She was just pl…

Personally, I don't mind that "content creator" is a thing, but what irks me is that, at least in the Youtube I see, "content creator" is the ONLY thing. If I search for ANYTHING, I get a tutorial, or tips, or some clickbait like "I had no idea about this!" Every video is by someone whose job is Youtube. The giveaway is that all of them have custom thumbnails. Someone who just made a random video about something and…

Not just a custom thumbnail. It has to have the YouTube Face[1] too.

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Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Post by baud147258 »

Martinussen wrote: post #66
m01 wrote: post #65

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> “I have money and I have a person’s name and address, how do I send money to them?” Send a cheque?

I don't know about other places, but here there's no bank that will turn that slip of paper into real money. I've never even seen a cheque or chequebook in person, it's almost exclusively mentioned by Americans (In my experience)

the last two payments I sent by cheque here in France got processed, one by the national electricity provider for about 50€ and the second by an association/company (I'm not sure) for 200€. The last cheque I received, in 2021 (my grandmother reimbursing me the gas refill I did on her car one week before she died), got processed for free by my bank.

But I don't think the chequebook I have can be used to sent money to someone outside of France. And I only have a chequebook because that's how I have to pay my electricity bill.

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Post by zoezoezoezoe »

rullelito wrote: post #119
zoezoezoezoe wrote: post #2

I think the way you support publishers is one of a few things * they list a patreon or librepay or whatever and you support them directly * They have ads and they ask you nicely to disable your adblocker (as long as they are unobtrusive I'm fine with this) I think that's really it, if publishers dont give you a clear way to support them, in my eyes, they are providing the service for free.

But crypto..

if you want to me to send you crypto, put a BTC or, preferably, Monero address in the footer or whatever.

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Post by carlosjobim »

jorvi wrote: post #57
carlosjobim wrote: post #50

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I don't hate Brave, but blocking legitimate ads and then putting in their own ads is a racket. > Creators also don’t get “a” cut. Brave gives 70% of earnings on ads to users, and those can then decide how much they reward to the creators of whatever content they consume. Ie, creators are offered a cut - in a roundabout way.

It is not a racket when the website owners are mass-injecting trackers and security risks into my browser. Some egregious pages have 700+ (!!) ad partners. Hell, it is the opposite of a racket because other adblockers / adblocking people pay zilch. That is the racket. Any BAT user is a +70% gain. I’ll pay you. I won’t compromise my devices for you.

OK, even if we say that the ads from the website creator are not legitimate, it doesn't make the ads from brave legitimate.

Try to think about this from the perspective of another person instead of yourself.

Or think about this comparison: I own a bar where I sell drinks to the general public. Then some businessman comes in, throws out my bar staff and starts selling his own drinks to the guests, and offers 10% of revenue to me. Is that fair and honest? Who was the legitimate drink seller and who wasn't? Now you can say that alcohol is bad for your health and shouldn't be sold at all, and that you as a customer don't care. But it is very clear who is legit and who isn't.

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Post by Suppafly »

interactivecode wrote: post #45
grues-dinner wrote: post #33

This is the one thing that I actually thought cryptocurrency would help - getting small adhoc payments out from under the bootheel of Mastercard and Visa, and especially for international transfers that cross between, say, the MC/Visa duopoly regions into other ones like the Asian ecosystems. But instead it's slow, inconsistent, inconvenient, balkanised, dripping with scams, criminals and bad actors and still involve…

Fully agree. We should just settle on a single internet currency thats fast, interoperable and not a market for speculation. Hmm perhaps we don’t need more types of currency? Perhaps it’s better to push deep integration of modern banking changes like psd2, psd3 and others. Across the whole internet. So everyone can just do regular payments with their own bank in a safe and protected way, and hopefully with less inter…

>Fully agree. We should just settle on a single internet currency thats fast, interoperable and not a market for speculation.

I wish we would all agree to just go back to mostly using paypal (or venmo, zelle, etc) for online shit and leave crypto out of it. The only advantage to crypto is anonymity, and possibly the ability to send smaller fractional payments, but honestly the existing non-crypto solutions could come up with solutions to those things.

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Post by jorvi »

carlosjobim wrote: post #124
jorvi wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not a racket when the website owners are mass-injecting trackers and security risks into my browser. Some egregious pages have 700+ (!!) ad partners. Hell, it is the opposite of a racket because other adblockers / adblocking people pay zilch. That is the racket. Any BAT user is a +70% gain. I’ll pay you. I won’t compromise my devices for you.

OK, even if we say that the ads from the website creator are not legitimate, it doesn't make the ads from brave legitimate. Try to think about this from the perspective of another person instead of yourself. Or think about this comparison: I own a bar where I sell drinks to the general public. Then some businessman comes in, throws out my bar staff and starts selling his own drinks to the guests, and offers 10% of re…

> Or think about this comparison: I own a bar where I sell drinks to the general public. Then some businessman comes in, throws out my bar staff and starts selling his own drinks to the guests, and offers 10% of revenue to me.

Which is a completely wrong comparison.

- You own a bar (website) and serve drinks (ads) to the general public.

- A large subset of your visitors decides they like the atmosphere of the bar, but whenever you try to sell them a drink, they refuse to order one. Alcohol is bad, they claim, and since you aren't offering non-alcoholic drinks, they've decided its moral to not order anything and enjoy your bar for free.

- An enterprising individual (Brave) recognizes the plight of both the bar owner and the customers. They surreptitiously serve non-alcoholic drinks (clean ads) to the bothersome customers.

- They sell the drinks at 70% discount, and strongly suggest to the customers to generously tip with the net gain of money, to ensure the continued existence of the bar they enjoy so much.

Brave isn't turning non-adblocking visitors into adblocking visitors. Its converting adblocking visitors into revenue-generating visitors.

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Post by Suppafly »

baud147258 wrote: post #122
Martinussen wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about other places, but here there's no bank that will turn that slip of paper into real money. I've never even seen a cheque or chequebook in person, it's almost exclusively mentioned by Americans (In my experience)

the last two payments I sent by cheque here in France got processed, one by the national electricity provider for about 50€ and the second by an association/company (I'm not sure) for 200€. The last cheque I received, in 2021 (my grandmother reimbursing me the gas refill I did on her car one week before she died), got processed for free by my bank. But I don't think the chequebook I have can be used to sent money to…

>But I don't think the chequebook I have can be used to sent money to someone outside of France.

I suspect if you sent me one, my credit union would figure out how to get me the money eventually.

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Post by Suppafly »

butz wrote: post #29

Worst part about such small payments is that intermediary, that will process the payment, might get 50% or even more of said payment, leaving not much to receiver. If someone really wants support, they will either have a link to "merch" store, or links to Patreon, Kofi or some other platform. Worth noting, that content creators usually seek recurring payments, not a single tip.

>Worst part about such small payments is that intermediary, that will process the payment, might get 50% or even more of said payment, leaving not much to receiver.

Yeah you essentially need a system has an internal balance that would then let you send and receive micropayments and only convert them to cash when the balance is large enough that the processing fee makes sense.

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Post by Suppafly »

rhplus wrote: post #41

We’re three decades in with the web and it’s pretty clear that voluntary payment nudges don’t work. Most people won’t pay for free content after they’ve consumed it. Humans need an extra incentive to pay for free content. This is why so many sponsorship platforms are effectively subscription models with additional exclusive content or early access. And for that to work, you need more than just a payment button, you n…

>We’re three decades in with the web and it’s pretty clear that voluntary payment nudges don’t work. Most people won’t pay for free content after they’ve consumed it.

Humans have no problem tipping, the issue is that a single article or piece of content is rarely worth than a fractional amount of whatever your preferred currency is, and it costs more than that amount to transfer that currency. Sponsorships work because you pay normal amounts of currency to receive a larger future block of content.

To make tipping work, you need a system that supports allowing you to deposit normal sums of money but then dole it out in micropayments, and also not charge more than those payments for processing the micropayments. A payment system like Paypal, that maintains an internal balance that is used instead of just transferring from one bank account to another (zelle, venmo), could handle this but I don't think the financial incentives are there for them to bother with it.

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Post by Suppafly »

wat10000 wrote: post #59
rhplus wrote: post #41

We’re three decades in with the web and it’s pretty clear that voluntary payment nudges don’t work. Most people won’t pay for free content after they’ve consumed it. Humans need an extra incentive to pay for free content. This is why so many sponsorship platforms are effectively subscription models with additional exclusive content or early access. And for that to work, you need more than just a payment button, you n…

I don’t think payment friction has been reduced nearly enough to make that statement. If it was possible to click a button to instantly send ten cents to the creator of an article, and people still didn’t do it, then we could conclude that it doesn’t work. But we’re extremely far from that now.

This, people want micropayments but the market won't figure out a way to provide a service for that.
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