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Post by Al-Khwarizmi »

miltonlost wrote: post #62
yeknoda wrote: post #9

I've found using these and similar tools that the amount of prompts and iteration required to create my vision (image or video in my mind) is very large and often is not able to create what I had originally wanted. A way to test this is to take a piece of footage or an image which is the ground truth, and test how much prompting and editing it takes to get the same or similar ground truth starting from scratch. It is…

The adage "a picture is worth a thousand words" has the nice corollary "A thousand words isn't enough to be precise about an image". Now expand that to movies and games and you can get why this whole generative-AI bubble is going to pop.

If you can build a system that can generate engaging games and movies, from an economic (bubble popping or not popping) point of view it's largely irrelevant whether they conform to fine-grained specifications by a human or not.

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Classic OpenAI. I don't care, there are so many better alternatives to everything they do. Funny how quickly they have become irrelevant and lost their moat.

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Post by EliBullockPapa »

joshstrange wrote: post #121

OpenAI is a masterclass in pissing off paying customers. I'm just about ready to cancel my ChatGPT subscription and move fully over to Claude because OpenAI has spit in my face one too many times. I'm tired of announcements of things being available only to find out "No, they aren't" or "It's rolling out slowly" where "slowly" can mean days, weeks, or month (no exaggeration). I'm tired of shit like this: Sign ups are…

I really don't think it's reasonable to expect them to onboard what is likely tens of thousands of sign ups in the first hour.

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Post by benchmarkist »

david-gpu wrote: post #118
benchmarkist wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neural networks use smooth manifolds as their underlying inductive bias so in theory it should be possible to incorporate smooth kinematic and Hamiltonian constraints but I am certain no one at OpenAI actually understands enough of the theory to figure out how to do that.

> I am certain no one at OpenAI actually understands enough of the theory to figure out how to do that We would love to learn more about the origin of your certainty.

I don't work there so I'm certain there is no one with enough knowledge to make it work with Hamiltonian constraints because the idea is very obvious but they haven't done it because they don't have the wherewithal to do so. In other words, no one at OpenAI understands enough basic physics to incorporate conservation principles into the generative network so that objects with random masses don't appear and disappear on the "video" manifold as it evolves in time.

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Post by dartos »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #127
miltonlost wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The adage "a picture is worth a thousand words" has the nice corollary "A thousand words isn't enough to be precise about an image". Now expand that to movies and games and you can get why this whole generative-AI bubble is going to pop.

> Now expand that to movies and games and you can get why this whole generative-AI bubble is going to pop. What will save it is that, no matter how picky you are as a creator, your audience will never know what exactly was that you dreamed up, so any half-decent approximation will work. In other words, a corollary to your corollary is, "Fortunately, you don't need them to be, because no one cares about low-order bits…

Your eye sees just about every frame of a film…

People may not think they care, but obviously they do. That’s why marvel movies do better than DC ones.

People absolutely care about details in their media.

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Post by minimaxir »

adultsthroaway wrote: post #131

Genuinely curious who is doing this for adult content? Complaints about Sora's quality and prompt complexity likely not as important to auteur's in that category, especially with ability to load a custom character etc

Sora (along with DALL-E 2 well before it) specifically has safeguards against NSFW content.

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Post by dartos »

GistNoesis wrote: post #120
miltonlost wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The adage "a picture is worth a thousand words" has the nice corollary "A thousand words isn't enough to be precise about an image". Now expand that to movies and games and you can get why this whole generative-AI bubble is going to pop.

(2020) https://arxiv.org/abs/2010.11929 : an image is worth 16x16 words transformers for image recognition at scale (2021) https://arxiv.org/abs/2103.13915 : An Image is Worth 16x16 Words, What is a Video Worth? (2024) https://arxiv.org/abs/2406.07550 : An Image is Worth 32 Tokens for Reconstruction and Generation

Those are indeed 3 papers.

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Post by naasking »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #127
miltonlost wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The adage "a picture is worth a thousand words" has the nice corollary "A thousand words isn't enough to be precise about an image". Now expand that to movies and games and you can get why this whole generative-AI bubble is going to pop.

> Now expand that to movies and games and you can get why this whole generative-AI bubble is going to pop. What will save it is that, no matter how picky you are as a creator, your audience will never know what exactly was that you dreamed up, so any half-decent approximation will work. In other words, a corollary to your corollary is, "Fortunately, you don't need them to be, because no one cares about low-order bits…

I was just going to say this. If you have an artistic vision that you simply must create to the minutest detail, then like any artist, you're in for a lot of manual work.

If you are not beholden to a precise vision or maybe just want to create something that sells, these tools will likely be significant productivity multipliers.

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