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Re: Portland airport grows with expansive mass timber roof canopy

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Post by TulliusCicero »

darkfloo wrote: post #133
surfingdino wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. Trains are often a more efficient, more comfortable, and greener way to travel. I would love to be able to take them more often on weekends here in the UK, but they are expensive to the point of costing more than air travel, which makes no sense.

Planes are cheaper as a function of the infrastructure needed to allow their use (? Feel free to correct me). As long as we allow airplanes companies to not pay for the long term externalities that they are creating planes will stay cheaper.

In the EU, jet fuel isn't taxed at all, quite the contrast with gasoline prices.

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Post by wkat4242 »

returningfory2 wrote: post #220
matthewowen wrote: post #180

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Boston to Portland, OR? The city discussed in the article? It's 3000 miles! I would personally love to live in a world where you can go 200mph on a train and do it in 15 hours but I wouldn't call it easy.

I'm guessing they meant Portland Maine, but yeah confusing given the article being discussed. :)

Oh yeah I saw Portland on the map, thought was was the one discussed :) It was the one in Maine indeed

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Post by noisy_boy »

snakeyjake wrote: post #226
noisy_boy wrote: post #126

Beautiful. Also, what about fire hazard? Ctrl+F fire had zero matches.

Wood burns, but modern suppression systems increase the time to evacuate. Fires don't usually (hell, hardly ever) start with the structure wooden or otherwise, they start with the things inside a structure: wiring, upholstery, drapery, etc. By the time the fire gets large and hot enough to fuel itself on the structure all of the occupants are already dead due to carbon monoxide and/or hydrogen cyanide poisoning, so t…

I appreciate the detailed answer, exactly the kind I was looking for.

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Post by FollowingTheDao »

lurking_swe wrote: post #254
FollowingTheDao wrote: post #170

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> It feels spacious, natural, functional, and hospitable. If we want to solve the climate crisis, this is everything an airport should not be.

so do tell, which airport do you like? Or should we just ban all air travel? I don’t think you’ll get many people to agree to that so that idea is dead in the water. And apparently private jets are of no concern! The average private citizen must suffer! lol. I’d recommend banning private jets to start…that might actually make a decent dent in air travel emissions without punishing normal travelers. If you want to dis…

> Or should we just ban all air travel?

Yes, we should.

Do you have children?

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Post by FollowingTheDao »

DiggyJohnson wrote: post #199
FollowingTheDao wrote: post #170

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> It feels spacious, natural, functional, and hospitable. If we want to solve the climate crisis, this is everything an airport should not be.

Is there any room for ornamentation in your view then? I'm afraid that your cause is dead in the water with that perspective.

You know how you feel when you walk into a pron theater? That is how you should feel when you walk into an airport.

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

FollowingTheDao wrote: post #245
ddejohn wrote: post #241

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Maybe by discouraging air travel? lol I dunno.. silly take

Finally, someone who is not totally dull. Yes, by making prettier and bigger airports do you think that encourages or discourages air travel?

And you think airports are in the green energy sector, or air travel? What about the co2 released while making concrete? What about used captured co2 as a building material? Some credit for that?

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

FollowingTheDao wrote: post #264
lurking_swe wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so do tell, which airport do you like? Or should we just ban all air travel? I don’t think you’ll get many people to agree to that so that idea is dead in the water. And apparently private jets are of no concern! The average private citizen must suffer! lol. I’d recommend banning private jets to start…that might actually make a decent dent in air travel emissions without punishing normal travelers. If you want to dis…

> Or should we just ban all air travel? Yes, we should. Do you have children?

There we go, “think of the children”. How many do you have? How much co2 is it going to take for you to raise them until they can be used as a reliable workforce? Hopefully they don’t go sideways before…

Oh boy, have I got news for you. The best thing you can do to save the planet is not to have children. I’m pretty sure that my co2 footprint is going to be lower without children than yours with your children.

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Post by FollowingTheDao »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #267
FollowingTheDao wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Or should we just ban all air travel? Yes, we should. Do you have children?

There we go, “think of the children”. How many do you have? How much co2 is it going to take for you to raise them until they can be used as a reliable workforce? Hopefully they don’t go sideways before… Oh boy, have I got news for you. The best thing you can do to save the planet is not to have children. I’m pretty sure that my co2 footprint is going to be lower without children than yours with your children.

I do not have children, for this very reason.

But anyone with children shoudl be concerned for their future.

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Post by brailsafe »

BeetleB wrote: post #224
brailsafe wrote: post #11

It looks incredible and I'll take the first chance I get to go check it out, but the cynic in me bets that the international arrivals/layover/security check area is still just as dull and depressing as any other in the states. 2 people barely churning through a line of 150 stressed travellers that need to get to their next gate in 45 mins. I'd consider paying a fair bit more if I have it next time to not transit thro…

> I'd consider paying a fair bit more if I have it next time to not transit through if I can avoid it, always feels like hell. But that is admittedly very cynical and I'm sorry. Surprised no one has pointed this out to you: Get Global Entry (it also comes with TSA Pre). You'll get to go in the fast TSA lines (no taking belt/shoes off). And international arrivals is a breeze. In fact, since I've got it, I've not had t…

Great suggestions, and ya I was aware of NEXUS but just haven't got around to it

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Post by lurking_swe »

FollowingTheDao wrote: post #264
lurking_swe wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so do tell, which airport do you like? Or should we just ban all air travel? I don’t think you’ll get many people to agree to that so that idea is dead in the water. And apparently private jets are of no concern! The average private citizen must suffer! lol. I’d recommend banning private jets to start…that might actually make a decent dent in air travel emissions without punishing normal travelers. If you want to dis…

> Or should we just ban all air travel? Yes, we should. Do you have children?

Do you understand that this is an extreme view? It’s a valid one…but extreme.

I’m not sure how air travel would even be banned practically speaking. Would your country ban it, or a global ban? I doubt all countries would agree to that. If your country bans air travel, I suspect many people would just leave your country to move to one that permits air travel, for a better quality of life. A ban only works if it’s banned globally.

Also, banning air travel means none of this is possible:

• professional sports (teams can’t travel)

• olympics

• flying for funerals, honeymoons, or for a better life (war refugees)

• MUCH slower package and mail delivery across the globe

• is medical travel allowed? Not all areas in the world have good specialists or can do all procedures.

• scientific research in the wild

• leisure travel for vacation, spending time with family, etc

I could go on. You personally may not care about any of that, but many people DO.

I don’t have children but I plan to someday. Yes each future generation will likely suffer more from climate change, we are on a bad trajectory. But guess what? Life itself is literally suffering. From birth until death. People may need to migrate to new regions that are less affected by climate change. That’s life…suffering. And the climate change train left the station a looooooooooong time ago after the industrial revolution and population explosion globally. Future generations would be better served by humanity being more aggressive with switching to renewable energy instead of trying to ruin fun for everyone alive today.

just my opinions. clearly we disagree here. Hope you have a nice day and thanks for reading lol. :)

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